Ah ok...slightly clearer....lol

Just as a side topic topic Rudy did ya know (you'd be one of few on here who I think may) that Australia was once part of "Mu"...the only remaining continent from the original three [two now sunk] East of us? Anyway no matter either way that's another story.

The questions you pose Rudy imply no real outside help or help "from above" or however one would want to term it. So basically your questions are based on...a reduced population...all or most(?) infrastructure gone...and no help from little green men (with small antenna's)?

Yes?

John

They are not stupid questions...lol...ya gotta get past that...it doesn't matter for example if the questions have been asked before.

It'd take you a year to read every post on here...new topics/subjects that have been covered before are always being asked about and covered again...and that's great!

There's always something "new".

You'll get your answers MB...;-)

John

Lol nah...shut it down...I just figured you'd get more people looking/responding elsewhere...

I really reccommend you start a journal...it really is a supportive environment and would be particularly beneficial to you at this stage.

John

Hi mummabear....might be better to ask in the thread you already started in Raw Chat...it gets more traffic than here....another option is start a journal 'cause there's a stack of people in the journal section who are ultra-supportive, experienced and very knowledgeable.

What I'm saying is some areas of the forum are more visited than others.

None of your questions are silly...though I'll leave it to the more rawly-experienced to answer them.

Welcome to the forum.

John

I dunno Rudy...you'd most likely get a lot of blank stares, a few half-hearted attempts at a real answer, some verbal abuse and generally be labelled a complete whacko.

I'm reasonably sure I know what you're on about, but at the same time I get a lil confused by what I see as contradictory views on your part. On the one hand you seem to believe (other threads/topics) that each of us have accepted (if not actually chosen) our roles in life and in some cases right down to specific " I'll do this to you in this life and then we'll swap roles next time around"....I'm sure you have said things along those lines?

So to me that involves a degree of pre-planned destiny.

Maybe I'm missing a vital link here but how can that then transfer to changing a predestiny.

Unless of course you are saying you can indeed change a pre-planned destiny? Either way we have two separate but still bound destinies...individual and global.

I'm just not clear enough on where you are coming from to formulate any answers. You're asking a lot of specific questions within specific scenarios but I dunno what you actually believe. It's like your sitting as a judge on a panel with a buzzer...when someone attempts to answer some of your questions they either get the gong or a pat on the back depending how accurate you perceive the answer to be.

It's almost like some kinda pyscological-reverse-engineering where you get funnelled into a narrower and narrower framework without any idea who's holding the funnel or where it leads.

Just how I feel at the moment Rudy, and If I'm wrong about that or am operating under some misconceptions then I'll sort it.

I think this a valuable topic to discuss and am quite prepared to answer all your questions...there'sjust "something" missing for me to do so with any clarity at the moment.

John

Jen....I agree re: secondary die-off in the scenario you present...the strong ones you describe I think would be more like tribal leaders than politicians lol.

I shared a flat years back in Sydney with a Chilean guy, he was an interesting fella. It was at the time of the first gulf war and I posed a similiar scenario as yours to him. His answer was simple and elegant "I'd trust in my own survival skills".

[ another time we were having a political discussion, he said "did you vote"?....ummmm...no...."well shut the **** up!"] He really had a knack for getting to the heart of a matter.

Ok Rudy...I'm with ya...seeing I'm not PM anymore I'm gonna think about it some before attempting a reply...mebe days...

Rudy...you seem frustrated.

But you are posing a lot of questions and not yourself so far offering any specific solutions? Unless you consider identifying a possible "problem" as a step towards possible solutions...if so I can undersatnd that much.

You are getting frustrated at what you see as a lack of interest or inisght into what the future may hold regarding it's potential problems. Could I be forgiven for thinking that you appear to be focusing on the negatives?

On the one hand you seem to be saying that when all "this" occurs it's a great thing and you pretty-much can't wait for it all too happen, yet on the other hand you seem fixated on what you perceive as a lack of understanding on the part of others.

So it seems to me that what you are saying is "ok, life as we know it is about to change, in a very radical way, whether we like it or not and a lot of people are going to exit stage left and only leave us good guys here...but....within those good guys who are left here...there's still gonna be a lotta bad guys...so how are we gonna deal with that"?

In other words you seem to (me) to be saying that a lot of "good" changes are going to occur but we will still be left with a lot of "bad" things to deal with.

Correct me if I'm wrong Rudy....but that's what I see you saying here.

And your apparent frustration seems to stem from your belief that everyone around you is sticking their collective heads in the sand and just ignoring the entire issue.

But you have to consider that the majority of the Earths population are not even aware of what we are discussing here and among the few that are aware there are varying degrees of belief and understanding.

For starters even among those who believe that "something" is going to happen soon no-one knows exactly what that "something" is...what form it will take...what the repercussions will be...and on it goes.

The specific questions you are posing are almost impossible to answer without a precise and specific scenario....as far as I'm concerned you are asking for specifics while providing vague generalities...skirting around the very core of the issue if you like....hinting at "something".

So I'm gonna ask you some direct questions...I'd appreciate some direct answers 

1) What precisely do you Rudy think is going to happen and what form will it take?

2) Why do you think it's going to happen?

3) What do you think is going to occur after?

I completely disagree with you saying that no-one is willing to think and actively participate in getting from A to B.

You ask why is that?...well give 'em something solid to work with to attempt to provide an answer.

I could go on...but I'm sure ya get the drift.

John

Well Rudy, I never wanted the job anyway....lol

Frankly....if this new age thing does occur and basic stuff like that isn't sorted out by whomever sorts it out...then I'd suggest over time we would only eventually end up in the same boat...without some form of REAL ENLIGHTENMENT....

Are you suggesting that in the dawn of this new age we will still have to deal with the same issues we are confronted with now?

If so I don't understand the point of the intervention.

John

Ah Gosia...the beauty of individuality...

Geez Rudy.... ....I hope that wasn't a "freudian slip"...at least ya said their "antennas" were small....sorry...couldn't resist....;-)

Ummmm ok I'm the Australian PM...sorry Rudy If I'm PM there's gonna be some radical changes....you can be an advisor if ya want...after all...I need someone to talk with during 11 years of morning power-walks.

A clear agenda...well let's assume everything is pretty much as it is now...apart from the dismantling of arnaments and nuclear waste and a general clean up of the planet by the little green men with small antennas and their environmentally friendly technology.

Well I'd have to sit down and have a chat with the aboriginies and say "look sorry chaps, I know my ancestors invaded your land....killed most of you off in one way or another etc etc etc but here we are so maybe we can come to some arrangement"...

See....it's starting to stuff up already Rudy.....there's just so many possibilities here...we could all become hunter-gatherers in the traditional aboriginie sense and respect them as the orginal "landowners" and become parts of tribes....but that won't work...this job is harder than I anticipated....or we could...and then we could...or....too many possibilities.

Mebe the green men with small antennas need to be consulted for guidance...

There's no easy solution to this Rudy...you're creating a scenario(s) that require a lot of thought (way beyond an answer I can think of while replying to a thread).

Actually...seeing I'm the new PM...and this is a brave new world, I wouldn't even contemplate that I personally could have all (if indeed any) real answers. I wouldn't dismantle technology either necessarily.

What I would do is get together with all the other PM's (swells with pride) from all over the world and identify the core issues that need dealing with immediately. Food and water and shelter for all in the world would be the first priority.

Solutions won't be a two minute process. Eco-friendly energy would be a priority...either from what already is known (and been hidden eg Tesla) or from the little green men (with small antennas;-) iI I believe some accounts I have read,(so let's assume it's a fact) then eco-friendly energy is there for the taking from magnetic fields at no cost to the envirnoment or anyone.

Free energy.

Why dismantle anything that doesn't need to be? Dismantle everything that does.

Once the basics of food water and shelter have been provided to everyone on the planet then Rudy we can start to look at the very specific (and localised) questions you have raised....in the meantime it will have been explained to everyone on the planet what the immediate priorities are and how they are going to be implemented.

That'll do fer now...I've only been PM fer 5 minutes and it's already starting to weigh heavily...but I can handle it...you gonna vote fer me Rudy or is up to the little green men (with small antennas;)

John

So basically we are all gosia...cause she created the universe to commune with herself....and we are all actors on her stage...

But if Jen also created us we are all oranges......and savvy doesn't have a clue who she is....

Hey....it all makes some kinda weird sense...

We are all part of the "ONE"-ness of creation...it cannot be otherwise....some of us atoms though are a bit more confused and lost than others perhaps....lol

True savvy...but it's all we have in this environment...lol.

And how much better face to face...well granted...better...that way we could take time to explore the issues....so much is going on....

So I have a question then....do any of you reading this thread "feel" a compression of time....leading to a conclusion?

John

It's difficult to visualise or even imagine the event let alone how you would react to it.

For starters...what actually is going to occur?

There are lots of possible scenarios....some predict a holocaust in which 66% of the population will perish by "fire"....others predict a shifting of the Earths magnetic poles and others still that the earth itself will flip on it's own axis.

Then there are some belief systems who predict that whatever happens it will be "stopped" during the process....but not without what the CIA would term "necessary colateral damage"....(that's a jk Rudy...albeit a bad one in bad taste ;-).

How do we attempt to answer the questions you pose when we don't even know the circumstances we will be presented with?

John

Dunno how to answer you Rudy...the points you raise are possibly the nuts and bolts of the whole process...rather than a "floating in air" concept....so I see what you are saying.

How does the floating in air concept/idea/dream actually function in the face of individuals being involved....hmmmmm....no idea....

Maybe the answers to those pragmatic questions you ask on implementing a "dream" are foundational to it's success or failure and maybe they are not. So to me the real question relative to your questions is-if it truly will be a new civilisation with a new understanding are those types of questions even relevant?

If not....go to step 2....

So...are they relevant questions....if so....let's try and answer 'em...

Gosia I should have said that the orange becomes a tree without having to die 

Jen...there's heaps in what you described re: Underbelly/Yogananda....maybe we can all explore that as well...there's a kinda impossible-to-reconcile contradiction-thingy there eh? Bit like trying to meditate on Love while polishing your gun...

In an earlier post I said as far as gaining the type of enlightenment I'm describing goes, so I'd like to adress that now.

Keep in mind that this is only a developing understanding on my part and I've started to come to these views after many years of trying to understand 'what's really going on" and why. If I started quoting references from sources it would take me a month (more like 6 months) to compile it so I'm not going there. At any rate this is only my (still tentatively evolving) attempt at trying to understand who we are..and why we are here...and how the fudge we have ended up in the mess we appear to be in.

That said...some things are starting to make a lot of sense to me.

When whoever or whatever created this universe they did it for a reason. To believe we are the only beings who inhabit this universe becomes increasingly absurd the more you look into it. A plan was in place and many civilisations beyond Earth it seems achieved the original plan. Remember that Earth is pretty much out in the boondocks when it comes to physical position within the Universe.

It's a big place....this Universe...

When the Universe was created also were created non-physical (some say physical-but not bound by physical reality) beings with free will who's task was to help the evolution of physically created beings towards the fulfillment of the ulimate plan of the creator(s).

Within the created Universe of polarities there were certain "negative energy" places they were instructed not to go near. Of course one group of them did and set off a chain of events that changed the course and original purpose of the Universe. Whether or not the creator(s) were aware of that eventuality beforehand...who knows...

Long story short the group who had willingly exposed themselves to the negative energies underwent a bit of a personality change and started a war against not only the evolving and fully evolved created physical plane beings but against their own kind.

There's a lot of evidence still on this planet to make the following believable.

Fleeing the carnage being caused by the now bad-guy beings some of the good-guy beings found Earth and settled here hoping that the bad guys wouldn't find 'em out in the boondocks..

Each populated planet undergoes it's own process of evolution and it takes billions of years (a blink of an eye in cosmic time) before the beings on that planet have evolved enough for the tasked beings to assist them in their final stages of evolution. So when this crew found Earth we were still undergoing the process of evolution.

'Nother long story short these guys accelerated our evolution by mixing their DNA with ours and with the clay of the Earth. If ya think clay is just "dirt" read Lyall Watson's "Supernature". It's for that reason that Earth is considered a truly unique jewel in the Universe by "others" and some it seems even call us "royalty" because of it.

There is plenty of evidence still on Earth to explain all this and much more.

In light of this understanding a lot of scriptural texts start to make some sense....but keep in mind that most have been deliberately altered (usually by omissions).

Advanced civilisations thrived on Earth for (well a long time) until...the bad-guys turned up.

Then the clay really hit the fan. A war ensued and two continents were sunk (maps of the ocean floor between Australia and the Americas reveal them clearly). The good guys exited stage left with a promise to return.

The bad guys...stayed. Now...the bad guys ain't overly-fond of we humans....in fact they despise us because they have lost forever (not quite, but that's another story) the priviledged position they were in....and the last thing they want to see is "us"....Enlightened. So that "war" is on two levels...maybe more than two but anyway.

It is the birthright of every son and daughter of the creator(s) to attain enlightenment. The type of enlightenemnt I have attempted to describe in this thread, which culminates in a face to face "meeting" with our very creator.

Being marooned here now it seems...the bad guys operate on a physical level to cause (well look around you) all sorts of strife, and on an astral level "above" ours .Their aim is to enslave man...particularly spiritually...at the level of the soul. They also use many humans for their own amusement.

I understand if all this is a bit hard to swallow 

But in reality it is no laughing matter.

The good news is that this situation will not be allowed to continue. And it is...it seems...this very time...rapidly approaching....when intervention will occur. The intervention has become necessary because our very evolution as a race was interfered with....both positively and negatively.

So..we are indeed it seems....unique in the created Universe.

John