Hey Melb, I had a personal question for you. I've sent you a pm.

xoxoxo

I have a girlfriend who was born and raised in Denmark. She has been in Oz for about 6 years I think. Her hubby was advised to go and have his skin checked for cancers and so she thought she would go too! They took one look at her skin and said, "you were not raised in Australia hey!"

Well der... I thought the accent would give it away. Anyhoo, they said her skin was comparable to a 7 year old Australian childs.... she is amazing. Looks about 22 and is 39 this year I believe.

xoxo

yup sun damage is a biggie..yes the sun is life giving and vital to thrive...but not to be overdone...i have always looked after my skin...to the chagrin of alot of raw foodies i use to hang with...yup! im vain i dont want to look like a leather bag....i see people who are 15-18 years younger than me...with lines and wrinkles i dont have...

and you dont need to have botox to have good supple unlined(or virtually unlined skin over age of thirty)

my hubby is outdoors every single day..yes he has beautiful olive skin..but i look after his skin for him,and he eats high raw..but not anal bout it..and his skin is gorge...he looks around 30 and hes 43...(and smokin hot...he he)

Melb you have lots of good info...i enjoy the read thank you

Rudi you are crazy and fun though

Well I don't question the outdoors lifestyle as much as I do the lack of shade. If we didn't chop down all the shade trees...ie, fruit trees, we wouldn't need sunglasses, gazebos, awnings, umbrellas and all that crap. I think we were meant to have it all. Outdoors And Shade. I love Shade. Subdivisions might as well be deserts to me....except with houses, and people. With cute little baby trees, pruned just so at birth, so no child will ever be able to reach a branch and feel the joy of climbing to the top. ....ok....enough said about shade. ....feeling kind of weird and sick tonight, burning my hand in the fire I guess it's called.

Well...I am actually done with this forum thing, but first, lol....yes, textbooks are weird places, that offer plenty of great things, often backed up by science right there, but you do need to think critically and keep on your toes....as with everything.

As for Harley, and your post on kids. While this approach could be seen as coersion and not dictatorship, which is good... and I do agree it would be very effective in the moment (the week), sort of...depending on the kid, I do see some problems.
 
In no particular order of priority they would be that some kids, actually a lot of kids I know up close (which is a lot of kids as my house is a revolving door of kids around the neighbourhood for the last almost twenty years), Do in fact have hangups. In fact, I think kids can have more hangups than adults, since having travelled outside their comfort zone so much Less in life. I know kids who are such picky eaters that one will only eat french fries. McD's french fries, and that's IT. For YEARS. His brother, eats only rice. Sure they are extreme examples, but a lot of kids are leading way too catered to lives with respect to food....I guess is my point. There would be a lot crying by a lot of kids if you had them for a week. And even if you were tough enough to 'starve them out' whose to say that they won't regress as soon as they are out of your range? .....although they might also be the most likely Not to stray too....anyways, point is, I don't think they would be more perceptive or receptive than adults necessarily.

Another problem, watching earthlings over and over. I showed my 9 and 11 yr old that movie, but I knew they were old enough, one became vegetarian on the spot, the other did for awhile. The 6 year old couldn't even stand to hear a summary of what it was about. Ofcourse I wouldn't show it to her....if you show that to whatever kid, you will be giving some of these kids some serious problems. Nightmares upon nightmares for one. But also a fear of the world in general. Anxiety problems....or exacerbating already existing anxiety problems. Problems that they do not have the resources or intellect to deal with. So I actually thinks that's abusive and I would suggest considering possible consequences carefully.

Lastly, if these kids go back to SAD eating homes, they have no overt control over their lives, unless their parents are special people, and will end up fighting a battle that they have no idea how to fight. How are they going to answer questions like protein and b12 and iron and calcium. In their heads they will know that their example Harley is doing fine, but that won't stand up for a second in the family arena....they might manage to stay veg. But they aren't buying the groceries. Which is why I said those picky eaters might fair the best, since they're parents are totally whipped anyway.

But, you said yourself you've seen Doug help people recover only to go back to their old ways once they're in their old environment. ....I'm afraid the kids won't stand a lasting chance. But I do think you would plant an effective seed that will pay off when they grow up.

Anyways, that's about it I guess....

Mad-dogs and Englishmen go out in the mid-day sun...

hokahey..

guess theres not many women with single digit body fat~...i have 12% last check...not many  women have body fat that that low either...
one year ago eating 811 running 15 kms per day and more...i had more cellulite and toxicity showing in my body than i do now...and so mentally unbalanced and fanatical...i think its important to find a balance that work for us personally...

i wasnt reaching many people with that kind of out look on life....its my way or go away....it bought nothing but pain to those i loved and loved me.....

lets not grasp at straws....

happiness and joy and healthful living....and love is the best anti ageing advice i can give....the creams etc are just a bonus....

cheers to you.,,,man i am so chilled i could be an icy pole he he

you are the best mum Kar

Kids, at least young kids anyway, want to do what everyone else is doing and will eat like everyone else. So the way to teach them is defo lead by example.

Had a family function this morning and my 3yr old niece had a tantrum because she wanted to be eating what i was eating (was yoghurt and banana), but she was already full so couldnt eat it and just got more upset, but the point of the story is she wanted it because she saw someone else doing it.

Speaking of wrinkles, i was at the football last night shivering even in thermals, lol (ok not the point of the story), and some charming people sat next to my group, all smokers. One of them breathed more smoke than air. It was beyond disgusting, forgeting the harm they were doing me i couldnt believe what they were doing to themselves! Anyway, one of them, the woman i noticed in particular looked so incredibly old, her skin was so wrinkly and haggard, but i really dont think she was that old. All i could think was how does anyone knowingly breath poison into themselves and worse not even notice or care about the obvious damage they were doing to themselves that i could see clear as day in her skin.........i got a very strange look when i pulled out a bag of bananas to munch on, hahaha.