Thankyou for the update ktani much appreciated. Will check out Jarrah.

I made a mistake in the last post re calculating the new dilution. This is a recent post from the honey thread which should help.

The basic honey lightening rules are:

1. No heat is to be used with any honey lightening ingredients at any time (body heat does not count). All ingredients should be mixed at room temperature only.

2. The new dilution is 4 x the amount of water (distilled is recommended) to honey by weight. Weigh the honey or convert, e.g. 42.5 grams of honey = 2 tablespoons = 1/8 cup = 1.5 oz x 4 = 6oz = 3/4 cup US, or 12 tablespoons distilled water needed for a treatment. Conversion tables and a calculator are in this link.
http://www.traditionaloven.com/conve...surements.html

For less to no drips, 1 tablespoon honey can be used to 6 tablespoons distilled water, on wet hair.

3. The hair must be kept very wet both before being covered and during the time that a treatment is on the hair. Wearing a swim is recommended. Another option is to mist the hair with leftover treatment during the 1 recommended hour, that a treatment is on the hair.

These rules are based on successful honey lightening reports and research.

This is a condensed version of the original post of the new dilution and treatmrnt. An Australian member of LHC, found it easier to measure her treatment in grams e.g. 50 grams of honey requires 200 grams distilled water.

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A breakdown of the newest honey lightening recommendations, which have been reported to be working out very well.

Patch test any of the ingredients not previously used on scalp or skin.

1. Choose a honey - the Successful Honeys List
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ount=856itamin

If one cannot be found - try a dark coloured honey blend - raw or pasteurized - both have been reported to work equally well. Dark coloured blends were reported in research, to have higher peroxide levels than lighter coloured blends. A dark coloured, single source honey, does not necessarily have a high peroxide value - it depends on the plant source.

Jarrah honey - highly recommended - it has a very high peroxide value. More information and suppliers can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1266

Some honeys naturally contain higher levels of Vitamin C. Avoid using Anzer, buckwheat, linden flower, locust flower, mint and thyme honeys.

2. Use distilled water only. It contains no minerals. Minerals can deplete the recipe peroxide (so can Vitamin C, see #5). Conditioner is no longer recommended for honey lightening. Its ingredients and lack of water content can interfere with results. The same applies to coconut cream and milk (they contain minerals and can contain Vitamin C, as well as not enough water to properly dilute honey).

3. Use the new dilution (4 x the amount of water to honey by weight) - e.g. 1/8 cup honey needs 3/4 cup or 12 tablespoons distilled water, 50 g honey needs 200 g distilled water etc. Here is a conversion link.
http://www.traditionaloven.com/conve...surements.html

4. Do not apply heat to any of the recipe ingredients at any time. Peroxide containing boosters are ground cardamom, ground cinnamon, extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil.

5. Do not add lemon juice, or any other ingredient that contains Vitamin C to a recipe, like tomato products, which are no longer recommended. Hydrogen peroxide oxidizes Vitamin C, and is depleted in doing so.

6. Mix the treatment at room temperature and let it sit for 1 hour, also at room temperature, to allow the honey to produce peroxide in advance of application or use it right away and the honey will produce peroxide while on the hair.

7. Apply the treatment to wet or dry hair if there is no aloe gel on it - aloe gel contains Vitamin C, or a leave-in treatment with Vitamin C, heavy residue, or a large amount of oil on the hair (a large amount of oil will act as a barrier to the water). If there is, wash or rinse the hair first. The treatment can be applied with a tint, blush, pastry brush and/or a spray or squirt bottle.

8. Pin up, then cover the hair securely with plastic (wearing a swim cap is recommended), to keep it out of the way, competely wet (a must) and contain drips. Leave the treatment on the hair for about 1 hour.
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rawconnection
My pleasure. I know very well what it is like to be hair lazy, lol.

There have been 2 people who lightened their hair without red hilights, but it depends on the starting colour.
Jan in ID - on mid-brown virgin hair - with distilled water - after 2 treatments - with ground cinnamon and booster oils - no conditioner and the condition of her hair following honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=160564&postcount=1299

Jan in ID - on mid-brown virgin hair - with the new dilution and distilled water - after 3 more treatments - with ground cinnamon and only 1/2 tblsp EVOO, no conditioner and the conditioner of her hair, after 5 treaments
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=191116&postcount=1721

HalcyonDays - on dark mid-brown virgin hair - with the new dilution using tap water - after 1 treatment - left on the hair for 2 hours - just water and honey. The lighting is dark in the before picture, so I requested a replacement picture.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=179618&postcount=1633

HalcyonDays - on the condition of her hair following honey lightening and a replacement before picture
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=179696&postcount=1635


I put together some links in the first post of the Honey thread to cover some of the most asked questiions and topics. Here they are.

Honey lightening basics
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1964

The new dilution measurements
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2442

Cinnamon caution
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2382

A one post summary of the new honey lightening recommendations,
with explanations and links. It is in my signature too.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1096

A breakdown of the above link
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1628

How often honey lightening can be done
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2323

Choosing a honey and honey lightening boosters
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2370

Honey lightening and "extras" like thickeners or conventional peroxide
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2277

pH and honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2296

Honey lightening on hennaed hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2339

Honey lightening on henndigoed hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2341

Honey lightening and red tones
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2340

Covering a honey lightening treatment
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2404

Doing roots only with honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2371

Factors that influence changing an existing hair colour
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2342

Vegan lightening recipes (no honey)
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2334

3 things reported to discolour hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2364

Where to buy distilled water in different countries
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2369

Differences between an SMT and honey lightening recipes
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2379

Honey and coughs and an all natural vegan (no honey) cold remedy, plus
information on coumarins and cassia cinnamon
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2380


How much can honey lightening lighten hair colour?

Pictures of honey lightening with the new dilution
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1906

Pictures of honey lightening with just honey and water
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1907

The long Pictures Post of some reported results with honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1095
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=148