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« on: Tuesday 01 July, 2008 »

I dont know why but everytime i drink raw chocolate, i have cravings for chocolate all the time. IM addicted. Im finding myself buying any chocolate in the super market and can eat almost a whole block even though my diet is prominantly raw now?(eating all raw does mak em somewhat hungrier too, especially around monthly). Anyhow its my intuition telling me its the raw cacao thats giving me strong cravings. I dont know how to stop? Whats going on am i missing nutrients , does raw chocolate make you addicted to any chocolate. Im a chocolate addict worser then ever. Now my favourite chocolates are coles belgium and nestle smarties. Could it also be heightened taste buds. Whats going on do i need mroe chromium. Im going crazy in bad and good chocolate heaven. How do i stop lol.

Im asking this because i ate half a bod block and got anxiety. I do mostly eat fruits in the morning. BUt if i dont have my chocolate hit i go crazy now. Hubby is also upset about it.
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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 01 July, 2008 »

Unfortunately I am here to tell you that Cacao is not raw (according to Doug Graham).   Don't shoot the messenger! Smiley

Dairy was the first thing I ever eliminated from my diet.  If you are to resist temptations of eating chocolate bars, you need to find a way to convince yourself never to eat dairy again.  For me the horrendous vision of cows with massively swollen utters lying in filth in the milk processing sheds and the pus and blood that is allowed into milk, let alone all the health problems dairy caused me is enough to resist the urge to eating dairy.

You have to find whatever way works for you to lift your standards on what you are not willing to eat.

But we all find our own ways  Smiley good luck
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 01 July, 2008 »

The only reason im having cacao the raw brand is for the magnesium. I run out of magneisum pretty quickly and it helps that side of things. I know supermarket chocolate doesnt have magnesium. The foods i wanted to stay away from im eating more off and looking uglier then ever. Im getting mroe wrinkles and i still cant stop. I look more like a coffee drinker then a raw foodist hehe. Im overloading on bad sugar too Sad. My skin is looking ruddy and im getting depressed because im aging before my time. I never knew supermarket chocolate could do this and now i know but i just cant keep away from it i know i need help.

I have given up dairy the only dairy im eating is chocolate. Im serious you would definately think i need to go to chocoholics annonymous when you see how i down it even after i eat a salad lol. I was also thinking because my body wants magneisum it could be wanting more chocolate for that reason alone. But since im eating bad chocolate its not getting it but wanting it. If i dont sound like im confused now i hope you get what i mean anyhow hehe.
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 July, 2008 »

You could try getting your magnesium from other foods, like dark leafy greens, dandelion leaves, beans, peas, seeds (sunflower, sesame and pumpkin) or almonds.
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 01 July, 2008 »

Thankyou. I know about nuts and seeds but im trying to lose weight and i find nuts and seeds i need to eat in large quanities to get what i seek. Yet for daily recommended i dont know if im getting enough from those foods alone. I drink green smoothies almost everyday. I still get spasms and when i eat cacao the spasms stops. So this is why i stuck with it.
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 01 July, 2008 »

hello

sorry to hear about your addiction. what is your protein intake like? too much protein leaches Mg out of your bones so this could be a possbile reason behind your cravings.
however cacao is very addictive, it is a drug, it has caffeine in it and other stimulants so you are definitely addicted to it.
also it is really fat which puts your body out of balance causing you to miss out on calories from fruit sugar and therefore you are also craving sugar.
my only recomendation is to go 80/10/10. you will loose weight in a few weeks and get over your addiction.

i hope this helps

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 01 July, 2008 »

Thanks Sandy,

I remember reading it was addictive but never thought too much on it.
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 July, 2008 »

I agree with Sandy, going 80/10/10 would probably help. I used to be very addicted to chocolate before going raw, but with my high fruit intake now, I don't have any cravings for sweets. In my transition period I would sometimes make a huge cacao smoothie (bananas, spinach, raw cacao powder, water, very yummy and filling) and it meant I did not feel like any normal chocolate because this was so good. You could try for a couple of weeks only allowing yourself raw cacao smoothies if you crave chocolate, and then once you are on high fruit and greens in your diet, cut out the cacao. I just don't buy it now, and don't feel tempted to. It used to mess up my brain too. I would get completely hyper after a smoothie, and couldn't sleep at night if I had it late in the day.
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 02 July, 2008 »

Thanks louko i will try the suggestion of more greens and fruits.
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 02 July, 2008 »

Hi RC - I don't mean to be a pain, but is there something that triggers your craving for chocolate? Would it be a possibility to see someone and talk this out?

Can you associate any emotion that makes you crave chocolate?  shrug

It might be worthwhile a bit of a think.

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 02 July, 2008 »

I find the best way for me to stop eating a food is to find out exactly what is wrong with it.  so lets get started.

On the Cadbury website I found the ingredients for their most popular bar:

Dairy Milk 250.00g
Legal description: ‘Dairy Milk’ Milk Chocolate
Ingredients: Full Cream Milk, Sugar, Milk Solids, Cocoa Butter, Cocoa Mass, Emulsifiers (Soya Lecithin, 476), Flavours. May contain traces of nuts. Cocoa Solids 26%, Milk Solids 27%

Hmmm... looks alright hey if you weren't so adverse to dairy.

But what exactly is a 'Milk Solid'?

This is from the patent website of the process:
"A hydrolyzed proteinaceous milk solid is prepared from a heat treated skim milk liquor which contains denatured whey proteins as well as casein proteins. The solid is prepared by rapidly heating the skim milk liquor to a temperature above 170° F. and adding acid to the heated skim milk liquor to adjust the pH of the liquor to a pH of about 4.7. The heated pH adjusted liquor is aged for a time period during which coagulation and agglomeration of whey and casein proteins, carbohydrates and ash takes place forming a plurality of coagulum suspended in the remaining whey liquid. The coagula is separated from the whey liquid, cooled, dewatered and dried. The resulting dry solid is treated with a caustic agent as, for instance, sodium hydroxide, in a solid phase reaction to yield the hydrolyzed proteinaceous milk solid. "

Ok so in lamens terms, 25% of this chocolate bar is created by:
1. Heating milk  - and the patent even states that its denaturing the proteins!
2. Adding an ACID to send the pH down
3. Drying the sludge and letting it 'Age' in other words rot. On top of this sludge forms a top layer of crud which also they admit to having it contain 'ash' amongst the denatured proteins and fermented alcoholised carbs.
4. This sludge is then scraped off, and dried.
5. Because it is so acid they then have to neutralize it to alkaline for human consumption so they had sodium hydroxide to form the resulting solid.

Do you seriously want to be eating this horrific substance?

I guess it puts the happy marketable term 'Milk Solid' in another light for consumers don't it!

Oh and before i go "Flavours" is another happy marketable term for excitotoxins which causes neurological brain damage.
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 02 July, 2008 »

I don't think you need to be hard on yourself for loving chocolate.  There's a lot to love about it!  Embrace that love!  True, cacao is a stimulant, but it is also full of nutrition, tastes amazing and makes one feel good.  In small amounts, it can certainly be beneficial.  It does stimulate me, but not to the extent that some people here seem to experience.  I actually find that it gives me more of a sense of well-being than an energy boost, personally.

You're right, though, that you have to break the addiction to commercial chocolate.  If you can even call it chocolate, as Jim revealed in his disturbing analysis of a standard Cadbury's dairy milk bar.  Lots of stuff in there you would never consider eating if you stopped to think about it!

Then again, if you're only eating the cacao for magnesium, there might be better sources out there that don't stimulate you and cause you so much stress.  If you're eating it because you love chocolate, cacao is certainly the better option to commercial chocolate.

One more thought...I found myself addicted to desserts a few years ago.  Mentally addicted, that is.  At night, I needed to have some ice cream, a cookie, something sweet (this was way before going raw), and I felt really upset and anxious if I couldn't have dessert.  So I decided to see what would happen if I went cold turkey.  No desserts for a month.  And you know what?  I was fine.  After a few days, I didn't miss sweets.  If I was really craving something sweet, I ate some fruit.  So maybe if this chocolate thing seems out of control, you'd be better off cutting out all forms of chocolate (including cacao) altogether for a period of time.

Sorry for this disjointed reply...as you can see, I have a complex relationship with chocolate myself!  Best of luck to you as you tackle this challenge.
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 02 July, 2008 »

I too find a vast difference in the way my body reacts to Cadbury's vs raw chocolate. Raw chockie I can just have a small amount and leave it at that and regular chocolate, not just cadbury's but any milk chocolate really, I can't stop!

Thanks Jim for that breakdown. Casein, I read somewhere is highly addictive. I can't remember if it's classed as an opiate or not but it's very, very addictive. If this is where your body is used to getting it's casein hit then it's no wonder it's hard for you to stop.

I have the same thing with cheese. Blerk. So I do know how you feel. I managed to get rid of a lot of my addictions using EFT. Good stuff! Have you tried it? When I was craving chocolate at the beginning of my raw journey I ate a lot of brownies. Raw ones. The recipe I posted in the recipes section somewhere. It took me 10 minutes to make it and worked wonders.

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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 03 July, 2008 »

If magnesium is a primary concern, then perhaps you could track your intake using an online calorie counter that includes a nutrient breakdown. There are quite a few good free ones, just google it.

I did a small amount of reading on magnesium and a few things came out.

 - An acid PH will inhibit your magnesium absorption. Perhaps finding out about alkaline foods (there are quite a few good topics about that on here.) Note that a diet too alkaline will also impact, aim for a healthy balance.
 - Caffeine causes magnesium loss
 - Adding banana to your green smoothies aids absorption
 - Wholegrains can (cooked or raw), contrary to popular nutritional data, inhibit absorption


I don't know how realistic this is for you right now, but perhaps you could simplify your diet for awhile. Drink lots of water, eat as much greens as you can handle and eat mono meals of fruit and vegetables. I found this a great way to deal with my cravings and to learn to listen to what my body really wanted/needed.

Goodluck in finding what works for you.
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« Reply #14 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

Hey RC-just stay strong girl and keep your eyes firmly focused on that light at the end of the tunnel!

And also...Thanks Jim! I think you may have just single-handedly squashed my own chocolate addiction which likes to flare up on occassion with that delightful breakdown of the how this 'treat' blindly consumed by many is created!
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