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come accross the idea in the rawmodel guy blog.

got some advice on this forum and than on the F! forum come accross the link to youtube salt water video
(thy were just pulling faces drinking salt water) but there was a name of teh website.

www.TheMasterCleanse.com

read all there was and decided to go for it.

I have done similar stuff drinking honey-lemon water all day so not too much different.

Recalculating the strange american measurement units to teh human language, I worked out, trhat they are suggesting 6-12 drinks of lemonade for day, each drinks about 300+ml of water, juice hal lemon, 2 big spoons of organic maple syrup and cayenne pepper.

went to organic shop and got the maple syrup and the cayenne pepper

had a trialing drink this morning - nothing special, but used much less maple syrup, than suggested _ I wont be using that much and teh cayenne peper burned my throuth.

The salt water flush suggested teher seems to be the wimps option - only 1 litre, I always used to do with about 4-6 litres previously, so I will possibly trial the midlle ground 2-3 litres initialy.

Also their wimp version does not use any yoga exercises from Shakprakshalana, it is just the drink and waiting for the elimination.

Just before I come accross the idea, I fuly stocked up teh fridge with vegs and fruits, since it is finally available, the season is comming, so I will eat it in few days and than go on the master cleanse.


anybody with personal experience, please feel free to share them here, give hints and pointers.

You do need to point me into the loo, I can find it very well.

will report the daily progress.

Have to go and buy the herbal laxative tea (never had that before, seems like a wimp idea anyway),
any suggestion which 1 taste the best ?

Rudy - you mention the "wimp" option 3 times, and then go and ask for a herbal laxative tea that tastes nice.  :laugh:

Sorry, I couldn't help but laugh.

I can't offer any advice on the cleanse - I have only done it once for 5 days (not the recommended 10), due to work commitments.  Personally, I love the lemonade, and consume cayenne regularly, so I am fortunate that I don't have issues with burning.  Did you shake it up well?

From memory, my ratios were different to those that you calculated, but that could be my, ahem, less than optimal mathematical ability.  I'm pretty sure I was using the juice of half a lemon, 2 tablespoons of maple syrup/honey/agave to 500ml of water.  The cayenne I think was supposed to be an eighth of a teaspoon or something.  I just guessed the cayenne - who can work out an eighth of a teaspoon?

Regarding the herbal laxatives - I have only ever used Senna pods.  They are cheap as chips, and I have found them very effective.  Do you want nice tasting, or do you want effective? ;)

Senna tea doesn't taste as good as a cacao smoothie, but it doesn't taste as bad as I imagine jet fuel.  If you are not a cacao lover, then it probably tastes about the same as a cacao smoothie!  -_-

Incorporating asanas to aid elimination sounds like a brilliant idea - something that I didn't think to include, although the senna works well enough by itself.  But I am liking the idea very much of incorporating asanas when I do the cleanse over Christmas.

What postures are usually used? 

Pavana Muktasana (isn't that more elegant than "wind removing pose") would be a candidate, I would think, as it works both the ascending and descending colon?  Besides, it just feels so good.
I would be very interested in other asanas that might be beneficial.

miss g

thanks Giggles,

2 big spoons of maple seems tooo much to me regardless if its in 300 or 500 ml, I only used 1 small-tea spoon,

will see how it goes when I stop eating and will need more energy - perhaps ?

Youga exercises _ I am not sure to call them assanas - they are 4 of them

and I never seen them in any other books or yoga system, they in my view are only used for Sahankprakshala =
salt water flush with exercsises.

the idea is to drink 1 cup of salt water, do 4 exercises and repeat, after about 6 cup the toilet runs happens, so the sequence than is:
1 cup, 4 exercises, toilet and repeat till only clean water goes out

as I said I used to use upto 6 litres and spend 3-4 hours sometimes, this is done not every day of course.

exercise - will briefly describe them :

1 - standing up stretched up hands up touching the palms and bend sideways -left-right, 4 times each side

2 - standing up, twisting to the sides, arms spread, twist as much to side to see right behind you, each side 4 times
as You twist to right, right arm extended - leads the twist, left comes folded on the chest

3 - cobra position and twisting in cobra left, right to see oposite heel, 4 times each side

4 - difficult to describe, kneeling on the floor, 1 knee down the other is up(foot is down), the oposte arm puls the up knee and torso twist oposite direction, so the tight of the leg is pressing against the tummy and pushing on the inside, chnge on the other side, 4 times each side.

sometimes I would go through 20-25 cups and doing exercises after each would test my physical abilities and show
the fitness, I would be sore all over for few days, but its great core session and test

perhaps this explain my use of the wimp term  :laugh:

Maybe that's why it tastes like "nothing special"? ;)

I did 5 days with no problems whatsoever, and 3 of those days were at work.  If you can fully rest after a time, you could probably get away with less sweetener for the whole period.  2 tablespoons worked for me, especially with carrying out work etc.  Oh, and the fact that it tasted awesome.


Holy guacamole!  Do you mean 3-4 hours of salt water flush/exercise/toilet routine?  Almost like circuit training at the gym, I imagine.  :laugh:

What a pity I don't have a free 3-4 hour block of time in my calendar before, oh, 2010.  Otherwise, I'd be onto that like a shot! :laugh:

Thanks so much for the exercises.  I don't think I'll be doing your "commando" routine, but I will incorporate a couple of those, along with my own.

Will you be writting here how you go on the master cleanse Rudy?

This program apeals to me but i know I'm not yet ready so I'm interested in your progress.
cheers
peta

Yes Peta, I will, thast the reason for this thread.

Hey Giggles, just get up 3am and You done by 7am,

but in the instruction the whole routine only takes 1-2 hours and less than 4 litres,

it is just that I was never able to achive clean water out, so I was pushing it longer
and it also shows how bad my health used to be in tehj past and the state I came out of my mums cooking.

so it should be much easier for others

joined the forum on mastercleanse website, did not post anything yet, subscribed to their enewsletter and read some discussion, lots of tips for begginers lots of question answered,
I suggest to anybody interested in this to go and do some reading, hundreds of people there posting experiences.

I am drinking lemonade during the day along with lots of raw stuff, mainly vegs, I am trying to get as much veg minerals in me before I start, planning to start in a 1-3 days.

got my answers about the purpose of cayenne - all is there.

DAY 0 - friday

friday was day 0 lots of lemonade but also some fruit and veg juices, the only fibre was cherries for lunch, I cooked big pot of veg soup (onions, zeleriac, pashnip, carrots, broccoli) and drank about 2 lires of water from the soups sometimes mixed with honey.

so day zero was hich on liquid, minimum fibres, lots of minerals and lots of calories, good preparation.

we stared to hopuse clean with hot water carpet cleaning machine, so lots of furniture lifting and lots of work with teh vacum machine - should all add to the detox and defat.

starting numbers before the MC :

weight = 64.0 kg
weist = 78 cm
hip = 83 cm
calipers measurements around the tummy : 24-15-20 in mm, average = 19.6
figures are above belly button, bellow and on the side

MC day 1

saturday, 2.5 liters of SWF
continyuing with vaccuming and water cleaning of carpets, moving furniture, voting for Green party
going to city for sport-cardiologist seminar, getting home, tired, going to sleep around 9pm previous 2 night it was midnight.


drinking lemonades all day, about half of it was with Maple, half with honey, and even had 1 cup with mollasses and 1 with barley malt syrup.

had 2 cups of senna leaves tea evening.

Rudy you are constantly searching to find exactly what works for you. Thanks for posting.

xoxoxo

Jennie, just testing others recipes.

MC day 2

2liters of swf

I feel very tired and weak, not sure how much is the detox and how much it is the result of the physical exhaustion of last week - doing F1 challenges, training hard and than the house clean.
This morning the weight was down to 62.f kg
waist=76, hips=82, skinfold figures : 20-16-18, avergae=18.0
so quite a quick achievement.

I do not feel hunger, however I do like honey much more than maple, using both about the same number of drinks
using very little of cayenne and only in few drinks.

afternoon weight is 65.0 kg - so possible quite a lot salt got absorbed and now it hold the water
I am not thirsty to drink but am forcing the drinks to get the calories from maple-honey - perhaps I need to learn to drink it very concentrated and very sweet ?

When I see some fresh fruits I have really cravings for it and am asking myself - do I have give up this fruits for so many days ?

I am glad that I have no cooked cravings so far or processed cravings so far.

Hi Rudolph,

Do you have the opportunity to rest almost completely in the coming days to help with the fatigue and cleanse?  Perhaps re-reading your favourite books from the Anastasia series?  That might help, if it is practical.

Are you doing the salt water flushes and exercises too - you haven't mentioned them.  I guess you are doing the salt water flushes, as you mention the body retaining salt.  I wonder if my cleanse was gentler in the beginning because I didn't do the salt water flushes?  That extra dynamic may mean a more thorough cleanse sooner, perhaps.

Ok, ignore the question about salt water flush - I've just realised that is what SWF stands for.  DOH!  I thought you were describing the lemonade, and was racking my brain as to what SWF stood for (sweet water fruit?).  :laugh:

"Hang in there" with the cayenne -it is such a wonderful spice, with amazing properties. 

One question - if you make a concentrated and super sweet variation, could that not lead to dehydration?  Just wondering.

Go gently,
Michelle

Hi Michelle,

I feel overhydrating perhaps, so thats the idea of higher concentration, I was drinking less concentration than advised by the programm, because I do not like such a sweeteness.

I really like the lemon part of it.

Complete rest would not be possible but today was, I had 2 hours afternoon sleep
and am going to bed shortly.

I have few new books I wanna read, that will keep me enternained, but I am nnever bord I just slip to meditative state wherever and whenever.

Hi Rudolf,

I find neat lemonjuice(sometimes with E / V olive oil) and cayenne(omiting the maple syrup) works really well.

Call me strange but I love the taste of this.

Wishing you well!

Hi Garfield,

well water and lemon only is to me the base of any fasting program, and so detox is better on it, the addition of maple or honey is suposed to deliver some sugar calories and therefore slow down the detox and not allow the real fasting mode, which should make it easy to keep on it for many days like 10 or 20, without the loss of physical energy etc.

on day 2 I was just resting, no activity at all and so that honey and maple was giving me possibly too much energy.

Morning on day 3 and I am back to 63.0 kg from 62.5 kg on day 2, so I either have to force myself moving and exercise or cut the sweet crap completely.

Only about 1.5 liter of SWF, but its going out much cleaner.

Fantastic! - great results, Champion! - keep it up!

thanks Garfield

feeling dizzy and weak but decided to go back to exercises, so did my usuall 5 of wide grip pull ups
and in the F1 challenge I set new best of 85 of lying leg rises, douing it the harder way - legs comming below the level of the bench into negative position - which work the abs in stretched position.

so will stick with exercises where I can ly down to it :laugh:

morning of day 4 of MC.

the weight is down to 62.5kg and the tape measurements around the tummy are down 1 cm.
The skinfold figures are still the same, that is allways my experience, first the weight drops, that the tape figures,
looks like fat is going away first from leags and arms, and from inside of the body, the skin on tummy the last,
oh well.

Day 3 was more active did lots of short explosive exercises, my challenge best of 85 lying leg raises was bettered by F1 himself to 100, so I did 115 this morning.

Received email enewsletter from MC forum, and it contained the info of cayenne being teh active ingredient of healing the joints, so I forced myself to at least few drinks with cayenne. I hate the stuff, I was never eating spicy food in my life even in my high junk food years it was allways no spices, I cant stand indian cooking...

so it is kinda really disquisting for me to force the cayenne thingy, but I am trying.

Did SWF about 1.5 litres, somehow have no desire to do the high volume 4-6 stuff and also I am not exercising while drinking salt, I am still too sleepy and need to deal with SWF, so I can go on with teh daily duties.

Tomorow I have all day seminar in the city 8am-6pm, have to catch 6:30 train, so either I get up 4am for SWF or would have to skip it. I would probably take few lemons jar of honey and bottle of maple with me, and will be making lemonade on the spot, I cant imagine to drag 6 litres with me, but I am not sure yet.

I look better in the mirror so that is good enough reward for me so far, do not have any dramatic detoxing issues to
report so far.

evening of day 4 - huge success, but it is gross, so be warned.

despite succesfull SWF every morning, today during the day I had to go few more times.

than evening I had very umcortable pain in my tummy, ressembling cramps and than pressure building, like the feeling of sudden diarhea.

so much stuff come out, it was like the description in the programm - the mucus substance. Clearly this was something released from the body into the guts, because after SWF only nearly clean water was going out.

I consider this to be huge success and am hoping than so much more would be released.

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I am really not into cayenne and am not using it much at all.

also I do not like maple. I had 3 different bottles fropm different manufacturers all of them original Canada and all organic etc.

But the taset is very strange to me it remainds me of those artificial chemicals manufactured as essencies to faked the tase in baking etc - I use to love it as a kid and I use to bake with it too.
maple taste to me the same artificial stuff, like highly processed chemical, the taste or flavour of it feels like does not belong there like it was added on the production line.

I am probably converting back to honey only with occasional mollases, I had mostly honey today, and the success hapened, so I do not see any reason to force the maple.

I had few cravings today, was thinking of chicken meals, fish meals, KFC etc, even about some specific cheese types etc, and than few hours later that success happened.

I would like to believe taht the residues of those food was released in the body and this was giving me the cravings
as it was coming into guts.

Looks like than advice from MC - that craving last only till they are eliminated out is really true, now I know the full meaning of it.

Hope to get similar experiences for the rest of the program.

the first thing after MC I do plan to buy the wheatgrass grown tray from my local organic shop, and to chew it all.

Wow Rudy - that's great! 

(Only on a raw food forum can you mutually celebrate a projectile poo)   :laugh:

I think the salt water flushes must be integral to the cleanse.  I had nothing like that after 5 days, but I didn't do the salt water flushes.

I didn't find that maple syrup had a chemical taste, but it is a very fragrant syrup, and different in fragrance to honey. More like golden syrup, which was used a lot here in Australia (and still is) for baking.

It also has more depth and intensity to the smell, so that might be it.

You poor thing with the cayenne.  It must be so hard.  I love spices so much, that the cayenne is a joy for me to include.  It would be difficult if you just didn't enjoy the heat or the spice of it.

Do you feel weak after your "cleanse" today.  Lighter?  Happy?

Are you craving greens - is that why you are going to get stuck into the wheatgrass?  Or is that just your transition approach back to solid food?

Hi Giggles,

no I am not craving greens, it is the result of the wheatgrass topic, I always had the idea to get into it, but was not organized yet, but I realized I do not need the juicing mincer, I can just chew on it and spit, and I can buy the growing tray cheaply from organic shop and actully start growing my own in soil, I do not l8ike the idea of wet-water growing it always smells to me like mould.

Sometimes I feel weak, but it also depends on teh amount and intensity of exercise on day before.


Day 5 - no time for SWF, just made 5 liters of honey-lemon lemonade and catch early train. I made the lemonades too much lemon. The temptation was there, every break there were huge tables full of cakes, pastries, of all kind,
so I just run past it to bathroom and back and kept myself focused on talking to people inside the room or to the lecturers.
The day past very quicjkly and was very exiting so the cleansing regime was easy, no time to think of it.
The seminar was the applications of Secret by David Schimmer and was the best seminar I attended in a long while, so I got lots of finetuning hints and some extra knowldege on manifesting and visualising.
David really undesrtand the whole stuff so is able to explain it properly.

Got home after 7 pm had the senna tea and am looking for next 2 days of intense cleansing and possibly some interesting exercise routine

Day 6, morning

still some serious stuff comming out and visible changes on body shape happening.

weight down to 61.5kg,
waiste down to 74cm
skinfold numbers down by 2 mm at each measuring spot around the belly button

 :yahh:

this morning I started drinking lemonade first, I will do the SWF little bit later in teh morning.

just my intuition for today, I also will try to get back to cayenne.

My knee is still painfull even more sensitive so lets see what will come out out of this
having occasional serious cramps in lower abdomen - hope i am not getting my periods :laugh:

 :laugh:

That made me cackle out loud.

I hope not too Rudy, because you can't even have chocolate!  :P

Could the cramps just be from the senna tea?  It might be 'movement at the station'. 

It might be relieved by some of the exercises that you mentioned earlier - the cleanse specific ones.  Just a thought.  Maybe even some localised gentle massaging of the area.

miss g

Rudolf, congratulations on the success.  Doing really well, great reading.

be careful with refined sugars and mucus membrane irritants..
cleanses like this work only because we aint eating the food that inspired us to cleanse in the first place.

but as always, what we eat before a fast/cleanse is what we will be eating after...

Hi Rudolf....I've really enjoyed catching up on your journal tonight. I've even had a couple of out loud laughs.

About the Cayenne....do you take the dried powder. Just wondering as i started taking tumeric root cause its surposed to be good for the joints and i hate that too. Now i chop it into bits and swallow it down along with a couple of cloves of garlic.

Oh and did you tell anyone at the seminar waht you were doing?

Sounds like your doing great and i will come back and check up again soon.

Peta

Hi Peta,
caynne I use as a powder, it is suposed to be disolved into every lemonade drink.

at the seminar nobody had a cleu what I was doing, it looked like I am just drinking my own drinks, nobody new I was not eating, when there was a stampeed on the cakes and cogffe tables everybody was paying attention only to the cakes, during lunch break it was everybody on their own to the local caffees, KFC, etc, I went to the park took the shoes and socks off lay on the grass on the sun and was meditating, and than put soles on my feet on teh grass and told Universe to take teh toxins via my feet to teh ground.

The seminar was interesting - teh idea is to manifest in teh short future everything in life, and the lecturers explicitly said, that all aspect of live should be created into picture at the same time so the desired health and fitness, relationships, family situations, spirituality, money, business carreer etc everything could be done at the same time, no need to wait till 1 aspect is done and than next.

Thats very interesting, and also logical, as tehre is no limit on anything...

However, it looked to me, that about 80% of people are there just for the money, that they wanna become milionares (nothing wrong with that), but they do not care about their health and fitness.

The lecturere himself achieved in few years milions of $, huge palace as a house all teh cars he wanted - BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, but he is in my view at least 30kg overweight and absolutely at lowest point of fitness scale, and I do not think his health is any good.

So obvoiusly he did not do any imagination and manifesting in this aspect, probably not in his values system.

and so majority of the seminar attendees fail in this category too, - the law of attraction - the likes getting together
so I did not feel there completely like fitting in, but I was there to learn some additional nuances of teh techniques and thats what I focused on.
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day 7, morning - the same weight and measurement figures, did some drinks before starting SWF.

last afternon I decide to go for walk and did 4 km and felt increas3ed energy, so few hours later went again so accumulated 2 x 4 km for day 6.

this morning at 6am went again, 4km, and rode a bicycle to school with my son.

Now I am drinking the salt water and plan to spend day working with frequent short exrecises breakes and few more walks and bike rides.

I feel like the toxins released from lower abdomen really changed my energy level, I can focus now more and see everything more clearly.

day 9, I skipped the SWF today, weight at 61.0kg, today finaly drop of fat thickness on the tummy as measured by caliper skinfold.

In 1 week of MC I droped 3kg : 64.0 - 61.0 kg,

and tape around waist drop of 5 cm : 78 - 73 cm

 :yahh:

and it is visible in teh mirror. :ohyeah:

My energy level is picking up, my gues is that most of the toxins are out, and also most of microbial stuff is out
and flushed by SWF.

I am getting the first sign of hunger, so I might to cut it at 10 days as that is teh standard lenght of MC.

In my view the use of maple is highly overrrated, I use it maybe only 20% of drinks, and the majority of calories came from honey. The MC is caring people off honey, claiming that using it will not allowe the loss of fat, which is clearly not the case, I allways loose quickly a lot, when I do cleansing or fasting with honey lemon support.

I basicaly also stoped using teh cayenne, so am back to my proven method of lemon-honey, I drink the senna tea as laxative,
but started to drink green tea as well, as the taset of water is not that good, I reckon there are some mineralls - micronutrient in green tea, which helps with detox process, the green tea is also against the official MC protocol.

I am thinkink of stating to drink chlorophyle - to blend some garden weeds with water and drink just the green juice from it.

we had some very hot days lately I am getting dark suntan, was kayaking yesterday - Lillydale lake.

It sounds like you are doing very well and are happy with the results you are getting Rudy. Thanks for taking the time to post all of this.

xoxoxo

thanks Jennie,
yes I am happy with the results so far.
I believe God created humans with riped 6 pack and nearly zero fat and paper thin skin, so I take it as my spritual
duty to help God to recreate such a body
 :ohyeah:

Hi Rudy,

I stumbled across this the other day, and thought that it might interest you specifically.  I found it fascinating, and as you know, I too am someone who sees great benefit in salt used consciously (and alchemically).

http://www.himalayancrystalsalt.com/html/esoteric.html (http://www.himalayancrystalsalt.com/html/esoteric.html)

Anyhoo, I thought you might find it interesting.

miss g

Giggles, You made my day,  :yahh:

exellent article, and it is not just the salt issue, but the living energy explained from specific angle.

Thank You

Fascinating read.

the MC is over. 10 days.

My body was asking for nutrients.

I could have fight the signals for few days perhaps weeks but would only achieve the micronutrients starvations and running into danger of ending up binging of junk.

I intended to do juicing period, however the body decided to eat the whole foods, so I listen.

Had some OJ, some green juice, tha I had some organic peaches, organic tomatoes, cyuucumbers, spinach, lettuce
wheat grass, organic ornages and nonwaxed apple, also organic sour cherries.

My mental focus is quite high, and I feel this amazing strenght on the mental, emotional level, my body is quite tired from the huge volume of exercise work I was doing latelly, and also from very hard 5 hours of diggingf the drenches on teh backyard = we had a huge storms and flood, and the house we are renting is at the bottom of the hill, water was comming nearly to the floor level, flooded airconditioning unit and flloded hot water system,
and I new there is comming second storm shortly so I was digging drenches all afternoon for 5 hours like mad to get the water out of the backyard, it is still comming in from street on from neighbours.

I was completely covered in mud, did not go in teh house to get food or drink, so was 5 hours with no drink and only on few spoons of honey from morning period when I was exercising with weights.

So I am sorre all over, tehre is no single muscle left, I was resting all day yesterday, which was first day of eating
but today I am still moving with difficulty and doing only light exercises to get the body into working order again.

The conclusions :

I will do regular multiday fastings, 10 days seems like a good lengh, repeatedly every 6 weeks perhaps all year around.

I will not call it MC, since I am using my old system of lemon and honey, I do not think that maple is better and could not stand spices like cayenne.

I will gradually decrease the amount of honey eaten during the fastings.

If I am listenning to my body and finishing teh fast cleanse when ready, than it is easy to switch to high quality raw food only and not to faill into junk binging.

thanks Rosal,

the avocado will have to wait,

I am first into juicy fruits of the seasons, and also cant have enough of greens.

Since I am off bananas, teh banana icecream is the favorite of my son, I am freezing mangoes now, and the icecream is fantastic, I am also going to freeze the appricots and peaches, my favorite and see how good the icecream from it will be.

Congratulations, Champion!

 :heart: