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or some people call it 'eating sufficient caloric content via the consumption of fresh sweet fruits'..

its day 36 no overt fats..im fly'n. hence my tone in my posts..straight down the line..

what have i noticed with eating no overts? ie 90/5/5? increased endurance, agility, power, strength and co-ordination.

mentality im super clear..things just come into my mind super quick...im more on the ball.

skin is best ever..i didnt think i could improve it..but i have.

i got to the stage where half an avo was feeling not as good as it did..i choose to have a fat break and eat sufficient calories from sweet frutis, veg fruits and tender greens.

so if you want some extra clarity, absorption, performance etc..give 811 the flick and hit the 955 turbo switch!
dont worry...you wont go too fast..durian season is the parachute..

only those that do it...you know what i mean! lol!
only a 955er knows the feeling..

ive been eating 90 5 5...for a very long time....as its how my body best likes to feel and further heal...

yes im straight down the line....but!!!! i must remember(you all knew there was a but coming lol)that not everyone is where i am...and some have no desire to be....

patience,love tolerance and respect is key!!

so what are you saying?
811 thats for fun..
955 is when we come alive!

more like thrive.....I DO...its want i desire for my health and mind..and if anyone asks me...yup its the ultimate way to live!

Great going' durianrider! 

That's awesome your skin is even better.   

Do you find yourself still drinking water?  I guess if you're biking a lot, you do drink water??...

When I went on my OJ fast, even though I drank less water, my skin felt better and I felt I was MORE hydrated by the OJ...

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Rosal

did a 1;20 run with freelea this morn. it was about 30celcius. had an orange for breaky and 1 litre of water.
post run was about 2.5 litres of water..THEN i ate..

i always drink BEFORE eating...and yes juicy fruit doesnt need the water like a bowl of rice would..but we still need to drink water for waters sake..ie having water for the kidneys to bath in..just straight good ol water..

thats one thing i reckon dougy could do better..drink more water..why do i say this? cos his last marathon he dehydrate bonked..

its xmas day and day 42 of no overts..feeling charged as ever. i remember xmas last year i ran 16km with a mate.
the one before that just did some riding and 04 xmas i pushed a mate in his wheelchair up mt lofty in adelaide. the staff at the cafe at the top said they never seen a wheelchair come up...i said 'you aint met someone that eats 20 bananas for breakfast either eh?'

today the calendar says its xmas. for me it marks yet another day to live happieness. that happieness is what we are here for and its only felt in the present moment. and that if we aint happy,,its cos we choose not to be.

freelea and i have just guzzled biodynamic rockmelon smoothies...we just got thru 30kg..this chick can put away the fruit!

Today it was a very relaxing day for me eating tonns of mangoes

sheesh 30kilos what the!!!!!!

i had juice at 12 then 1/2 large watermelon at 3.....then a blended rockie....and then banana pudding,7 bananas and 1/2 red papaya...thats it for my day!!

ran 7kms before juice....t5t's....100 ab crunches,100 hyper extensions and stretching...another awesome day...and lots of sunbathing...

they are coming from 'harm farms'..bad name, best rockies!

we bought just under 100kg on monday of rockies..got about 10 left! lol!

not many people have had a rock this good..i didnt know rockies are one of the sweetest fruits around..

and this is why i love em...sooo sweet!!they rock rofl

Surely ingesting 30kg's of rockmelon is too much of a good thing...
What about moderation!
X

agreed!....when i read that(sorry guys) it makes me feel sick!...surely over eating? no matter how far the run/weight training workouts?

David Klein and David Wolfe and im sure Dougie would agree...that there is a point where it is just too much food?


as one whos been there,i would question the hunger? true hunger? or hungry emotions? :-\ or just eating for the sake of it

Yum how I LOOOOOOOVE rockies! They've only just appeared (organic) here in Perth so I paid $12 for two smallish ones this morning. But it was worth it!  :ohyeah:

I think DR meant they got through 30kgs of rockmelon since they bought them... not in one sitting...surely...I think you would :detox: otherwise.

nope Gina...Free told me,they went through 30kgs between them,in one day.... :mellow:

Wow, okay....well I suppose they were really hungry...LOL

I bet Harley snarfed most of it!

guess so,each to their own!

Dont worryGina- Free,can hold her own veeeeeeeeeeeery nicely..have shared many a fruity meal with her...shes awesome!bet she'd give H a run for his money with fruit snarfing....

only time he gets to snarf it,is when i called the other day,and was talking to Free....bet he saw an opportunity then!lol mwahh harr harrr

has anyone heard of candida probs when on high sugar? thought it might be a problem, this is one reason i am hesitant to go high fruit.

I know that Freelea completely cleared up her candida on a high fruit diet. It's in the journal section somewhere. She did a fruit fast. Can't remember which fruit though! It might pay to search it out.

xoxoxo

cheers, i am in and out of the search engine now.

It was mango - she did about 2 weeks I think. Search for 'my trip to mango island' or something along those lines!  :ohyeah:

its not the high fruit eating that is a problem for candida,its high fat eating(yes even raw fat!)BBee

one thing to succeed on 100% raw is to leave the 'overeating guilt' at the door when it comes to fresh fruits..

most people would look sideways at you if you said you eat 5 banana for lunch..5 BANANAS! oh my thats a lot of fruit!..is the usual reply..you should see the faces when i tell em i can down 28 med/large bananas in a sitting when i need to carb up..

the average large ripe banana is roughly 100cals. so we have a meal of 5x100 =500. a pretty small meal since the average joe and jane should eat between 2000 -2500 calories a day if they are sedentary..but we dont promote sedentary lifestyle..so the calorie intake bumps up according to exercise.

both free and i are athletes. i rode just over 200km today..approx 4497calories according to the polar heart rate monitor..so slap 4500 onto 2500 for someone my weight and gender and we have 7000calories..thats 70 large bananas...but ive only eaten 400g of sultanas today..thats about 1000calories..so ive got another 6000 to go..thats A LOT fruit feast'n if i dont want to start using body fat as fuel...and want to replenish my carbs so im no one week wonder on the bike..

getting back to the rockmelon fest..
approx 30kg. what is the amount of flesh recovery? about 50%. larger rockmelons you get more flesh recovery. small ones..not as much. (i put the compost out 3 times that day..so i got to feel each load) so lets give an average of 50% being 100% rocky. now we are left with 15kg.

how many calories average per kg of rocky flesh? about 340.
340 x 15 = 5100..and thats between 2 hungry athlete mouths..
5100 divided by 2..thats only 2550 measly calories..no wonder we were reaching for the honey murcotts to juice in the evening..

and if it was 30kg of flesh recovery..thats still only 5100 calories EACH...ive earned 7000 today....

so quickly we see that conventional thinking leads to conventional results..
sure one can over eat on fresh fruit...but its hard..and the times i see people do it..its usually cos they ate mushrooms or melon after mangoes or something...then they blame the fruit..but its not the fruits...but rather the person eating combo abombo's with fruit or eating a fruit that they know doesnt work for them..ie mango's..some people just can digest em as good as other fruits... i know free doesnt do that well on em. and melon and bananas are a much better fruit for her.

or people eat fruit after training but they havent drunk water before the fruit meal..now they are putting sugar into a dehydrated system...so digestion is impaired from the get go...
regardless of what we are eating..watermelon, kfc or weetbix with sand..you gotta drink straight away after training..even if its snowing..thats just fact in the world of athletics..

its never wrong to do the right thing...and its great that people are questioning things..i love to break it down and dispel the myths about mother natures most perfect food for humans..fruits that you love and that love you back..

if you wanna reach your athletic potential or just stay raw..eating sufficient fruit takes time to learn and to get over what society says about it....

im into the high octane lifestyle. my mates call me up and say 'you wanna punch out 200k tommorrow?' im always up for it..unless im running a marathon or something...but ive done a marathon 9 hours after placing 2nd in the 24 hour state champs..and it wasnt on fruit rations i tell you..

so if you train small..eat small, you train big, eat big...its simple as that.

and in regards to moderation? correct! everything in moderation..ESPECIALLY moderation...

i make sure i get enough of what i need to live life at the fullest. not too much, not too little..'ENOUGH' is the right amount for any given individual..
live moderately?...lol!

i made a mistake about the flesh recovery in rockmelons..its less than 50%. i measured some today..its more like 34-41%

so infact we underate that day with the rockmelons..hence the desire for extra sweets in the afternoon meal..

wow! i'm no athlete but thanks for your post.
i am fairly new to raw and on the 6th day of no 'fats' UHHHHH. good and bad at the moment. but getting into the swing of it. It is good to hear you mention the automatic response to "overeating fruit" that myself and many have. i feel better realising i just need to eat heaps more food on this diet. I was so shocked to find myself eating about $30 of fruit and veg a day! and my chook bucket (s!) need emping daily!

I was dizzy for some time but since eating more and regularly i feel better. it is hard because i dont really have the appitite i had on cooked food, i can take it or leave it these days, but to the jeopardy of brain funtion recently.

So bring it on!!!!!!!! YUM!
 

i can get by with 2$ a day sometimes. just depends where i am and how much effort ive put into getting the organic bargains...

back in radelaide. sleep'n in a tent under some gums at a mates place out of town. we is absolute feast'n on figs, white yellow peaches and nectarines..just hop on the bike and eat.

rode with some tour de france riders this morn. it was a smash fest. im smashed..will sleep well tonight.

day 63
overtly free..

 :huh:

Can someone explain a bit better about 955? - Durianrider or RawGreenGoddess perhaps?

I've just received my 811 book and reading when I can and I get the general gist of things from becoming 'awakened' here on the forum!

So, does it entail eating next to no fats (ie avos, nuts, seeds)?? And mostly fruits and little greens??

And what are the benifits you have found as opposed to 811??

Many thanks,
Susan

Mostly fruits with LOTS of greens

lava field run..nice work jim! i got on a library computer the other day and someone had left their email account open. i closed it for them but noticed the name 'jim stewart' on the inbox..i had to click..but it wasnt you..

today went out with 'team milram'. they are a protour team and 2002 world road champion igor astarloza was rid'n with us. this dude can ride a bike..lol! we did 125km in the hills. hard tempo up every climb. i didnt get dropped once, and held my pace with em. and i thought they were going easy until one of the riders got dropped up the 8km mt lofty climb..so yeah i had a good day on the bike today..160km total by the time i got home..3400 calories according to the polar watch...so gotta pack away some serious carbs if i want to tackle the bergs with the team again tommorrow.
its cool being passed waterbottles by the team car and igor. once they know you can ride, they cater.

955? its just an extension of raw veganism. for those that find nuts etc a little too tax'n.
so its day 64 for me with just juicy fruits and greens. and as an athlete whom has trained with pro teams every summer for the last 5years..i can honestly say im fly'n.

its easy to feel good when im sitt'n around. but when ive got world class cyclists to mix it up with..the proofs in the fruit pudd'n.

gotta roll and carb up..just got 20kg of 'goldmine' and 'millonaire' variety nectarines and peaches direct from a local organic grower..and this dude picks his stuff tree ripened..lucky me.

lifes a peach..enjoy the juice!

Thanks DurianRider - you are certainly very inspiring!!

811 (and also 955) is making sense and am feeling very happy to be able to eat gorgeous juicy fruits to my hearts content!!

Happy pedalling! :thumbup:

I love reading of your adventures, Rider. How do you calculate 90 5 5? Is for example, 5% greens 5% of your food intake by weight, or is calculated by calorie intake? By weight...geez that would be a mountain of greens!

always on caloric intake..cos to measure caloric nutrients by weight or volume, cos that would end up very confusing..

so i just eat as much juicy fruits as i can fit. then if i feel like something savoury..i hit the greens. but i dont eat greens everyday..only when i feel the need. and its always the tender choicesl like sorrel, celery, rocket, super baby dandelion, malva, babe spinach etc. noth'n bitter...

rode 115km with 2 other protour teams, lampre and liquigas yesterday. stayed with em on the climbs again. back'n up the hard days..

went out with some mates this morn..i wanted to go hard..but i ended up just rid'n away from em up every hill. so its best hang with people fitter than us to get the results we desire..lol!

got my new cycling kit from www.organicathlete.org
they want me to race this year in the states. see what happens.
www.teamvegan.org check it out..

ok gotta roll and get some kg of cherries into me..

right, thanks for that. I just realised what malva is and it's everywhere! Quite mild and tender - yum. That org. athlete website has some great info on it too, very inspiring. I enjoyed the article about barefoot running...wearing shoes is definitely worth questioning.

did an hour easy on the bike yesterday, just to stretch the legs a little after a week of intensity.
went to a mates organic fig farm and ate some lemon lennies and black genoa varieties..hardcore flavour. we netted about 50 trees, did some basic farm stuff and feasted on some nectarines, prune plums and golden plums.

during the evening ride we found a local fig tree. strawberry vanilla white genoa. clint reckons the tree is maybe 30 years old, due to the flavour and texture of the fig flesh. its not often a tree has that much ripe fig on offer, but we struck foragers gold for sure..

got a solid day in the saddle tommorrow. look'n forward to it.

Awesome stuff Harley.

I went out and rode 42km on my bike on Sunday.  Only short in your terms, but the longest bike ride i've ever done before this one was 20km. So I doubled my personal best and it was easy so i'm going to keep building up onto longer ones. :)

Was only going to be a short 10km ride as it was late in the day and I hadn't eaten yet, but I decided to go exploring and just kept going. I had packed 7 cucumbers and a heap of bread dates in my camelbak so I had plenty of sustenance through the long ride.

I remember you saying I'd be a decent rider especially with my 1 legged squat strength.  SO i'm training hard to prove you right !!

Before xmas Brock and I tackled some fire trails on some tough mountains in the national parks south of Canberra. Shredded the legs, but I realised i have a lot of miles to put in the legs as I had to stop and rest way more than Brockster.

Still doing daily isometrics and bodyweight training.  After careful monitoring of my weight fluctuations (1-2kg from eating, hydration etc...) I have determined that I have put on 3kg muscle since November doug events - my bodyfat percentage is unchanged!!

I've enjoyed catching up on this thread. Harley if you do race in the States next year, good luck! Although I am sure that you won't need it. You just do what you need to do for you. Good Stuff!

Harley, I have a question for you. I am feeling really unfruity. I just don't want fruit. I am so sick of fruit! When I make myself eat fruit I don't feel good afterwards. Doens't make a difference whether or not it is organic. Apart from rockmelon smoothies... I'm still very keen on those. I am tired and not gaining any strength in a hurry. Also craving cooked food like I have not in a long time. I've asked quite a few people what they think and had to ask you too!

Jim that's great about the 3 kg muscle gain. Well done. 42km's is excellent. Well done!

xooxox

rawsome jim! yep like anything..it takes time to build the strength..its taken me 10 years of rid'n hard to reach where i am today..raw liv'n just complements it.

jen, miss a few dinners..or miss a few days of eating..just do a day or 2 on water and your fruit hunger will come back. or do a week on rocky road smoothies...

i dont always feel like fruit. in that case i just miss the meal or eat some naked greens..
cos if i cant eat fruit or plain greens..im just not hungry.

Hi Jen,

I can completely relate to what you are going through.   

Really I think its your body saying its got enough fuel and you're not exercising it off.   In other words if you're not burning the sugar through exercise there will come a point where your body is tiring itself out to rid the excess fuel it doesn't need, this makes you also less inclined to exercise and your desire to eat fruit will decline.  So it can kinda get destructive, because the more tired you get the less inclined you are to go out and exercise.  Listening to the body has all the answers, if your body is not craving fuel - that means it has enough! I think again its tough to see the forest from the trees.

If you can just get over that mental hump and force yourself to begin exercise you'll all of a sudden start burning that fuel and you'll feel 100% better.

Then after enough exercise, fruit and greens will be the ONLY food your body will be craving.

To make 811 work you really have to make a point of earning every meal with exercise.  This is the only way I am working out how to stay on Doug's program.  Because if I have days where I don't exercise it becomes harder and harder to keep eating fruit, so you eat less and cravings for other things come in.  However, I also find it very hard to earn every meal and exercise every day with my work committments.

So really what Harley says is right. If you stop feeling like eating fruit, just eat a salad, or even better fast for as long as you can.  After fasting for a while, fruit will be on your mind as your next meal for sure! :)

Harley - I love reading about what you are up to.  Great to hear how well you are doing with your riding.

Jim - I am curious - what work do you do that keeps you so busy?

Take Care,
S.

I work for the prime minister

Yep - so do I really.
That tells me nothing.
You are a public servant - join the club.    -_-

Anyway - I love reading about your workouts and your experiences with raw food.  I find you inspiring.

Take Care,
S.

thanks   :thumbup:

well actually I'm not a public servant either - I work as contractor :)   I can't really say anymore about what I do for obvious reasons ...

Thank you Harley and Jim. Funny you know, before I read this today I thought to myself that I would try a juice fast or a water fast this weekend. I have been forcing myself to exercise but my legs feel like lead.

Jim, without going into any details... do you work directly for K-Rudd? I near on said J.Ho then but he has gone!!! 

I was worried that my adrenals had decided to take a break! I'll give things a break and see how I go.

Cheerio!

xoxoxo

in athletics they have a saying called 'warm up'. ie before the olympic finals you will see the fittest people on earth warming up before their event. thats cos the body is not yet primed for peak performance..

so when we wake up and dont feel like gold medal performance..instead of giving training the flick that day, so lets just go out for an easy walk, wheelchair, cycle or jog. and after an hour or so see how the body feels.

i know i need at least an hour of solid cycling before i try any time trial efforts in up my local hills. otherwise the body is still in sleep mode.

and the fitter we get, the longer the warm up needed. also the longer our event, the shorter the warmup needed. ie a 100m sprinter will warm up all day and have physio and people stretching them. ive started 24 hour races and been laying down on the start line..

so keep it in perspective. we rarely feel like gold when we leave the house or campsite....

Hey Harls, Thank you. Just to clarify though, I did a one hour walk/run and still felt like lead when I got home. I am still exercising almost daily. I usually walk/run for three or four days and then have a day off and I'll often do something different on my day off... some trampolining or just basic yoga.

xoxoxo

so sounds like your warmed up. so you can tick that one off the box.
next look at hydration, nutrition, sleep, rest, emotional poise, exercise mindset, flexibility, weather aclimitisation and bio regional aclimitisation..but i guess youve lived there for a bit so cross the last one off too.

always a lot to look at. always pretty simple. just like a puzzle..we eventually get all the peices together if we work hard and effortlessly at it.

Hey Harls, I think that hydration might be a part of the puzzle. I always run further and smoother in the afternoon and I'd say that it's because I drank around 4 litres by then. In the morning I just climb out of bed, get dressed, go to the loo, grab mp3, hat, dog and go! Probably not awake yet either!

xoxoxox

i never leave home without a litre or so of water in me...

did 2 laps of norton summit, its a 6km climb. went up it once as a warm up. then rode back down and met the sasi bunch. they are from the sports institute. the best future riders in oz. 18-25. all gung ho. we got about 2km from the summit and i decided the pace was too slow. so i booted it past the 20 riders...well the race was on! lol! only 4 could match the speed and we raced together to the summit. the head coach that was following on the motorbike sped up and slowed us down at the top as we had broken apart the group.

but training doesnt mean much..its how we perform in racing that really matters. so lets see if i can continue this form as the year goes on.

later that morning i went up the 'corkscrew'. its one of the most feared climbs in south australia. i smashed it in the saddle and in the 53x19. its the hardest gear ive ever pushed up there. im down to 64kg and riding the climbs the easiest of my life. day 78 or something no overts..

free is on the road bike. gashed her leg open real good. i had to lay down at the sight of blood..lol! i almost threw up. she rode 50km a day over the weekend. her longest ride in her life has been 60km. this week we will crack 100km in a day...its good having an extra pair of eyes to spot the fruit in the hood..peaches, plums, nectarines, figs and pomegran's still flow'n.

12 hour sleeps.
open air living
organic and foraged raw plant nutrition
managed hydration
naked sun
emotional poise
stretching
sufficient neuromuscular stimulation and balanced recovery
life purpose
its all adding up..

Blood. I've nursed for years and still trying to deal with it.
Unfortunately lying down or vomiting is not an option for me though. 

Well your looking good as usual, Harley and sounds like your having the time of your life.

I was hoping you would cycle to me a fresh Durian though but looks like you've gone another direction. ;)

Hows the heat over there now? I guess if your planning bumping up to 100kms a day it musn't be too hot.

All the best

Wow! 12 hr sleeps the wonder of it, I'm seriously insomnic and whilst visiting Melb. had to resort to chemical medication ugh so against my basic nature but one cannot wander around a friends home or a hotel in the wee hrs of the morning. now considering going to s "sleep school" of which my Melbourne friend spoke.
Came home via Bacchus Marsh bought some excellent fruit/veggies at prices I dream about having in our local town.  Anyone know Bacchus Marsh, what a fabulours blue/purple Calafornian Bungolow home on the corner of the round-a-bout.
I have quite the challenge st starting Friday 1st February a locally run 'no grog' for the twenty nine days of February called "Liver R Longer" looking forward to this, plan to increase my level of "raw" intake as well as more exercise...will let you know of my progress.

Sorry folks to many 'phone calls interrupting my thoughts as I type, I wanted to mention that I have abated my sugar cravingss by using Nature's Own - Chromium Picolinate tablets, very impressed

Thank you Harls. I don't do exercise well with anything in my tummy but have started having a glass of water as soon as I wake, about 15 minutes before I walk. I'll write again when I get to a litre.

I hope Free is OK. Hugs to Free....

Cee I truly feel for you I do. My father is a hopeless insomniac. He is lucky to get three hours a night... when I was a kid the medical community had him on all sorts of drugs to which he became addicted and very angry with the world. These days he is still sleep deprived but calm. I hope that the sleep school helps.

xoxoxo

one thing i note is that when i do a decent block of training..im sleeping like a log. i find it hard to stay awake past 8pm.

for a 24 hour race the standard protocol is not to do any hard training the week before. that way you can stay awake all night.

i used chromium pic about 8 years ago when i had an issue with refined sugar. now my only issues with sugar is which organic fruit to feast on..so many options..to little room..

Thanks for sharing your Harley.  Your commitment to live this lifestyle (low fat raw vegan) is inspiring despite it not working for others, for whatever reason. 

I'm still trying to find the right balance for myself and each of my 3 little ones.  I may just follow your lead with the no overt fats for a month or so and see how I go as I am still suffering from Candida so I think my fat intake must be too high.  I'm also going to start taking some antimicrobial foods.... yes I know I've gone on a tangent...

Look forward to reading your posts..

Just as an aside in terms of sleep I did come across a website by a guy who found that he needed more sleep on a high fruit diet and less once he ate more green and vegies...I think it was www.drbass.com

went out with the road bunch this morn. at the start of the 6km climb i dropped my waterbottle..so i had to turn back and pick it up and then chase the bunch..we were already going pretty hard and i just managed to get back on...normally id just give up but now ive got some speed in the legs i can crunch it up the bergs.

saw a white throated tree creeper last night. first one ive ever seen. another virtue of the outdoor bush shower...you get to scrub up and birdwatch at the same time..

blackberries are on...we have a whole stack growing in the 'loungeroom'.

ask any ex candida crew...it always resolves itself on low fat raw vegan.
im on day 82 or something.

on sleep..how much do we need? the answer is 'enough'. its gonna be different for everyone. but enough is the answer. i got 13 hours on my back last night and the night before. the koalas that live with us get more.

freelea rode 325km on her road bike last week. first week on a roadie..top effort. to get back to base camp requires a 4km hill climb. her climbing speed increases each berg.

sometimes i dont know what to type..cos its all the same bliss just flip'n over one day into the next..lol!

rolled out 75km with freelea on a fig mission. so many figs in adelaide..too many to eat. same with peaches, and plums and blackberries. nectarines are starting to be less than easy to find.

i did a hill time trial few days ago. blew my mates away. some of them give me greif for being vegan. they cant even understand raw. i need to find fitter riders to do my intensity with..lol! lucky i know 2 olympians..one is riding for bejing.

thanks for inspiring me to add more exercise into my daily equation. Your level of fitness seems incredible, but your passion for it seems even more so!!

thanks..anyone can be an athlete..its just a choice.
if we expose ourselves to the elements, push past the comfort zone until that little voice says 'your to old, cold or in the system mold to be fit' then we are an athlete.

if we are having fun and learning new things about our body, we are an athlete.
if we are prepared to step into the unknown regarding what we physically can do, we are an athlete..
if we chose to live my mother natures guidance and inspriation, we are an organic athlete..
on and on..

in response to rudy's post on 811..there is on tahini binging..its all within what doug says. he walks his talk. he earns and burns his food choices. i can understand if rudy read my post the wrong way..its easy to when we are looking for flaws..
for me tahini etc is off the menu. i dont think they are that flash and i think dougy would do better with out them. he disagrees and thats cool. so once again we have to decide whats the best plan for us at any given moment.

as doug always says publicly 'learn from my mistakes, use me as a springboard to reach higher levels...'

i dont recomend the consumption of tahini. doug does. we have different theories sometimes.

read the book rudy..you have a better understanding where my posts come from...

Over the weekend I did 1000 pushups.  People say how did you manage that or you're lying.

And I am recovered sufficiently so I could do 1000 today if I have too. 

When I did 500 in the space of 1 hour up in Byron bay during the doug lectures, my chest was so fatigued it took 3 days to recover. 

So it was time for a different approach. 

It's a technique called 'Greasing the groove'.  The theory on it is so simple, for some reason its been lost on the world.

To get good at something you have to PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE.

So if someone said to me I would give you X millions of dollars to be a pushup master by the end of next week, well as sure as certain can be, we'd all be pushing out push ups all day long, as many as we could do - to MASTER it.

But I wouldn't want to be blowing my body out and not being able to do a pushp past lunch time, so I would do them in sets, with sufficient recovery in between and not reach my fatigue point every time so I could do them all day long.

Simple truth is that it is easy anyone can do 500 push ups in a day with the right discipline.  Every disciplined effort has multiple rewards they say.

So for my 1000 pushups over the weekend I set a timer on my watch that went off every 15 minutes. I would then do a set of pushups never going past 70% number of reps of my 1 Set Max.  1 Set max being the number of pushups I could do on one set and falling to a slump pushing out the last rep.

15 minutes of recovery, never reaching fatigue point and I blasted out the 1000 PERFORM FORM PUSHUPS effortlessly over the weekend. Often never doing more than 10 per set and making sure each push up was perfect form. I've been struggling with my one legged squats as well, so I did those every 15 minutes. Same for chin ups.

In one weekend with constant practice my pushup and 1 leg squat technique has improved noticably, so has my strength.
And I never even exerted myself enormously to achieve it other than the discipline of doing it every 15 minutes.

Why?  its because you're not just training your muscles, you're training your neurology. By doing it often you are building the nerve pathways, so it makes the exercise easy to do next time you do it.

If you're trying to put on muscle and you're training 2 hours three times a week, its not enough to build the neurology. Over time your body will adapt and grow, but it can be shortcutted. Why spend 5 years in a gym building a body, when you can do it in 1 year with the right techniques.

AMAZING thing to understand. If you practice and get good at something, it makes it easy to do, so you can progress and do more next time with the same exertion level. Constant improvement and your body will adapt, so if its muscles, tone or size you're looking to achieve - do more. Do the pushups every 15 mins for 12 hours - you'll be amazed at how the body adapts!

Here is an exercpt from an article:

"Your grandmother used to tell you: to get good at something, you must do it often, do it a lot, and do it to the exclusion of other things. Yet you never listened, why you little..! If you did, how would you ever get the bright idea of deadlifting once every two weeks and doing ten assistance exercises for the bench press?

Specificity + frequent practice = success. It is so obvious, most people don’t get it. Once I came across a question posted on a popular powerlifting website by a young Marine: how should he train to be able to do more chin-ups? I was amused when I read the arcane and non-specific advice the trooper had received: straight-arm pull-downs, reverse curls, avoiding the negative part of the chin-up every third workout… I had a radical thought: if you want to get good at chin-ups, why not try to do… a lot of chin-ups? Just a couple of months earlier I had put my father-in-law Roger Antonson, incidentally an ex-Marine, on a program which required him to do an easy five chins every time he went down to his basement. Each day he would total between twenty-five and a hundred chin-ups hardly breaking a sweat. Every month or so Roger would take a few days off and then test himself. Before you knew it, the old leatherneck could knock off twenty consecutive chins, more than he could do forty years ago during his service with the few good men!"

Most people worry about overtraining, and that is why most people get nowhere. Because they workout once a week, once a day etc.. etc...    you will not overtrain if you do not blow out to fatigue every time allowing you sufficient recovery.   Dougy also says most people are so scared of overtraining they have never really experienced it!

Harley has become an exceptional cyclist through disciplined volume, not intensity. He also doesn't sprint his way through every cycling adventure, otherwise he'd never make it past 10km (maybe more on raw :) )  He stops to re-charge often, but he cycles most of the day - all day long.

People say they are too busy, but that is another excuse. It took me less than 1 minute to do 1 set of 10 pushups, every 15 minutes.  Thats 4 minutes per hour - over 12 hours - thats still not even an hour of exercise!

Grease the groove to success people, stay within the no fatigue zome and be discplined and you'll be rewarded!

500 push ups for me today - and it will be effortless.

Hi Jim, Grease teh Groove is real good method, I never knew is under this name before.

I have tried it few times in teh past with various activities but was not consitent enough (know I understaned why teh harem needs to have minimum 40 girls :laugh: )

Anyway it is also mentioned under the same name in the CrossFit,com as one of the methods.

I think I will take take Your inspiration and will stick with it. Thanks


Hey Harley, this is never ending discussion, but I said, If I cant trust teh person I am not reading his books,
and the main reason is not actually what he eats or writes about nutrition.

Anyway my father in law used to say, that he burns and earns his pork sausages, my mum use to say the same for roasted duck and my father for bacon, they burn it so it was OK.

Hi Jim, I think that was one of the most interesting posts I've read here on exercise. It made a lot of sense to me.

Thank you.

xoxoxo

Hey Rudy, I don't understand how you cannot trust Doug if you have only read quotes of his and heard his theories. I am not a doug-a-holic but have utmost respect for the man and what he is trying to achieve in terms of trying to improve peoples health. I believe that he is doing his best as he knows how to do some good for the planet and it's inhabitants. Maybe you would feel differently if you read the books. It is hard for people to take what you say about 811 seriously when you have not read the material straight from the source.

Maybe someone could loan you a copy and you could give it a go? If you disagree then at least you are in disagreement with the source and not people quoting or misquoting him.

xoxxoxoxo

If we want to disagree with a method we have to at least meet the author or read his theory.
Then we have to experiment with the theory and then we can argue the flaws or not.
That is my opinion.
If you want to find flaws in someone we will find it we are all humans.

your welcome jennie.

Just on the doug debate, I don't 100% agree on his program because it hasn't 100% worked for me (...yet) - particularly at the stage I was at with my digestion which was getting worse on 811 - but probably more to do with my ill-disciplined eating habits than dougs theory (which I can't fault).  At the present time I am feeling the best I ever had on raw and this has only happened by integrating approaches from both Doug Graham and David Wolfe and sensing what works for me and stopping what wasn't - all THEORY aside. I also read the book Aggresive Health by Mike Nash that was really good as well.

For those people that don't know, I spent 1 week at the David Wolfe retreat in Hawaii over xmas and new years and I found many positive spiritual and nutritional elements that I needed to add into my 811 approach.  Most interestingly is the research into nanobacteria and why the herbs are so important in assisting the clean up.

David also claims to have experienced no chronic pain for many years now, and this speaks to me because I have lived with chronic back pain for 5 years since I fractured my back and blew out my discs playign cricket. Nothing,from diet to exercise, yoga, pilates and every other thing I have tried in that time has helped until the last month when I've been trying his SITS program to blow out the nanobacteria and clear pain out of the system. WOW.   (Just for those skeptical, I havent paid david anything for the approaches/foods/herbs I am using other than going to his retreat)

I was also curious as to why onyl around 3-4 people of 90 raw people (some with exceptional levels of health and raw knowledge) at the retreat had even ever heard of doug. Odd...

Essentially I am still doing largely 811, but I feel i am reaching optimum levels of health on the ancient chinese and amazonian herbs and to a lesser degree superfood smoothies - which are really just green smoothies with a bit of cacao thrown in :).

The reason I have gone down this path in contradiction to some of the theory that doug is putting forward (that I do agree with still), is because I am interested in ancient medicines and can't just discount its benefits of hundreds of years of traditions and state with 100% certainty that only fruit and greens are the answer.  This is sort of glazed over in 811 lumping all supplements in one basket.  I do feel that herbal supplements have their place, while vitamin and chem labs supplements obviously dont.

Secondly, with my digestion it was getting worse on 811 not betetr over time - and to eat the volume of food to thrive on 811 I found my appetite becoming ferocious at times and my system was overloaded. To fix my digestion I needed to eat meals and not pick at food all day. To eat the volume needed, those 3 meals needed to be big. But I had a probably that everytime I had a big meal I was in serious digestive pain, so I was forced into eating -6-7 meals a day to get the volume I needed without the pain. Also cooked food made the pain go away so I had some cooked food binges during my weak moments, 1 that snowballed into a week long self desctruction in december last year. Enough was enough for me that at point.

Because of the food overload on 811 spread across the day (6-7 meals - basically constantly eating) I was finding myself to be constantly tired, despite sleeping 8-12 hours a day.  I didn't feel it necessary to have blind faith in one day it would all detox out and I would feel good.  Screw that, I want to feel good everyday otherwise what is the point of this discipline of raw food way of life?

I have not changed my diet to include more fats. I just eat more herbs, and my need for more food has dramatically dropped.  I think there is some validity in David Wolfe saying that he doesn't care what else you eat (meat, junkfood whatver), but include herbs and some superfoods and your body really starts not needing much else.   And currently I am doing harder physical training than ever, and I have more energy than ever and nothing else has suffered.

Personally I do feel that less is more when it comes to nutrition and food particularly for longevity and that volume of food I eat on solely 811 was impractical in the long run.  In controlled environments at home I can make it work, but I'm busy and it reached a point where I was lugging 6kg of smoothies into work every day - it just felt a little unnatural.

Also when meeting doug last year it does look like he has aged a lot recently, and when combining that with some many longevity proponents saying that you need to eat less to live longer - who is right - especially when doug says eat more! :)

So really I just am doing reduced 811. Still 811 ratio of fruits and greens but ALSO with herbs (pau d'arco, black walnut, chuchuhuasi, chianca piedra, cat claw etc...), a few seaweeds and superfoods thrown in occasionally like cacao/goji berries/spirulina and its working well for me now.

I will no longer be backing a single horse in the raw food world, I will be constantly adapting myself and following instincts.  More importantly I won't be blindly accepting detox and hoping one day to feel optimal - i'm not that patient :)

Jim - I would be really interested to hear how you are using the SITS program - are you following it strictly - ie are you taking Zeolites and using a zapper?

Also, did you buy the herbs at the retreat, or have you bought them from an Australian source?

I could ask a million questions - but that will do.  I've looked at the SITS program so many times, and just get overwhelmed for some reason.

If you feel more comfortable sending a pm - I would really appreciate some more information on how you are following it.

Thanks so much,
Michelle

Yes I agree with lot what Jim said, I had teh similar experience.

So I have tried teh 811 high sugar high volume high calorie and fat deprivation diet and it does not work for me. From reading on the forum it does not work for many people and from privately talking to peole it does not work for them either.

Would be interesting if the forum allowed for poles to see % who gave it a try and it did not work.

The basic ide of 811 is niot right in my vies and teh idea of high volume high calorie is not right either,
the low cal system as described in Quantum Eating makes much more sense and has lots of successful examples.

So why should I read teh details and ideology of some theory when I think that the basic points of that theory are wrong.

I did know that war in Iraq is wrong than no country should have send an army there and I was publicly speaking this out all the time and I did NOT read Blairs Dosier at all, I also ddi not red My Kampf but I know that teh ww2 was wrong.


This is not about details or ideological explanations or theory details so there is no need to get involved in all of that, it is the basic of the ideology which is wrong in my view, so it is better not to get lost in details and mental constructs.

I was telling this for few months that Dr Guru looks old and his skin is not the best looking, as Jim mentioned as well, The explanation that he spends time outdoors is funny, as thats what humans allways did and we want to do.


But my biggest issue is confusion about SWF - Shankprakshala, the practice known for thousands of year and used in ,ots of healing centres etc, and passed down via Vedic civilization from previous real Civilization, and suddenly one westers doctor like Johny came lately is telling peiople not to do it, and is forcing them multiday fasting without letting them to wash their guts, making them suffer and making the fasting a big drama spectacle.

Well there was a market for it I guess, lots of healt seakers affraid to do SWF or uncomfortable to do SWF, so he cames with his ideology that SWF is dangerous, not good not healthy etc and getting this bunch of SWF scares to join the ranks...

Thats the main reason I cant trust him and trust any of his ideologies or reasoning.

Regardless of what is exactly writen in his books.


I quite resonate with David Wolfe too, I like his article about transitioning principle which is effortless, no dramas and sacrificing or denying etc.

My view is : minimal calories and minimal volume, maximum nutrients and all variety of nutrients in best quality.

So it is about nutrients vs volume-calories value, which is comopletely on the other side of high sugar high volume etc ideology.

I did not read bible either but I know that Vatican is wrong.

happy to discuss privately -- send me a pm.

I'm taking baby steps with sits at the moment - otherwise it is all too much. Just do one thing, like start doing the herbs. I don't want to commit to anything major until I feel the changes on each step. So at the moment I am just focussing on adding herbs, msm and some enzymes in my diet.

Ultimately I want to overcome my digestion and back pain issues as a priority before anything at the moment. I'm getting results on both in just the few weeks i've been doing it, so as I move forward I will begin to go into the later stages of the program - if I so feel the desire too ....

the amazon herbs I imported from NZ... the site is: in2herbs.com.au
the chinese herbs I just buy from local health stores in capsules - i make a point of never consuming the gel caps - they are made from animal by-products so always open the cap and pour into smoothies.

Jim - that is perfect, thank you!

Your post was so timely, as I have been watching David's Exotic Nutrition dvds over the past few days, and was drawn (yet again) to the SITS program.  I just didn't know how to start - and couldn't seem to see the trees for the forest.

An approach of starting somewhere, however small - seems sensible for me.

Thanks so much for that herb website - it looks phenomenal, and I've just placed my first order.

Was Truth Calkins at the retreat?  He has amazing herbal knowledge from apprenticing to Ron Teeguarden of Dragon Herbs for about 4 years.  I would love to pick his brain.

Good luck with your current journey, and thank you so much for inadvertently igniting my love of nutritional alchemy again.

yes, we humans like to drown ourselves in too much - taking bits from here, bits from there until the entire message is lost and we achieve nothing at all.

this has happened to me with my exercising, I have over 15 manuals and books on isometrics, bodyweight conditioning, strength conditioning etc... I try to do everything and I end up achieving nothing. So I've just gone back to simpliccity, chosen 3 exercises to the exclusion of all others and i will master them all day long until they are MASTERED. Then i will pick others to do...

With SITS it looks daunting, but so does eating raw food but you are doing that already - so you can succeed at this too. The advice is simple, you don't jump head first into raw if you're a mcdonalds addict, you do one thing at a time - however small. The importance is that you do it REGULARLY until it becomes a habit.  Habits are amazingly difficult to break once you have them. This is the powerful trait of success at anything.

I do believe strongly in synchronisities (sp?) and hearing messages when you are ready to hear them. Some of this stuff will go over the head of people and be filed away for 'later reference'.  Someone will find my posts in months or years from now, but only when they are ready to proceed on this path will the message sink in.

Truth calkins was not at the retreat, but many amazing people were - i will be doing everything in my power to go back to hawaii next new years. I hope others here will consider coming.

FINALLY to Rudolf.

We may be in agreeing on somethings but there is a big difference between us that I feel necessary to point out.  This is that you are closed minded to doug, I am open minded.

His program may and probably is the best out there.  The reason it doesn't work for everyone is the reason why there is no one program that will ever work for everyone.
its because we are all at different stages of health.

Doug's program is probably the best when you are optimum health, it also may not be.

For me I can't make 811 work until I can digest better. To reach that goal, I may have to do it by giving my system a rest and eat less food on another program.  Once I am better, then 811 may be ideal again.

So that is why I remain open minded to everyone and everything even if it didn't work in the past, it doesn't mean it won't in the future.

Doug has had tremendous success and that cannot be denied and should be respected.

Unfortunately a lot of people fail on 811 because it is tremendously difficult to be disciplined enough to make it work how doug has explained it needs to be done. Especially with volume of food.  He may be right, he may be wrong. But ultimately just don't close your mind to any possibilities, you just might miss something you need to hear or do in your journey...

Jim, thanks for Your views.

I do not feel I am close minded to Dough, I was very open to it.

But that mean to be close to completely oposing views. I am very open to oposing views like breatharianism, low cal system, quantum eating etc.

all of that is in complete contardiction to big volume, fruit-sugar overload.

but as i said it is teh issue of SWF, which warned me about Dough.

If his system is teh best as You say, than the statistics will not support it,

from the many people who tried, only very few are left and they are on it for very short time only, there are more who claime they are on it, but in reality they are breaking his rules in many ways, so they can not be considered
the true followers.

So how the system can be the best, if 90% or more people who tried, jump out of it and if the author himself is not following it.

So open minded yes, but be hoaxed by some ideology - no.

The longest somebody claims to be trully following the 811 is Harley and he is saying he is on day 80+, perhaps it is already over 100 days ?

well we know that nutrients can be stored in body for teh whole year, so only person who is constantly improving not just survivimg on the system for minimum of 3 years, can claim - it works for me.

So far I do not know of such a person.

I am guilty of this!   :laugh:

But I have always believed that knowledge is power, and that reading from a wide spectrum of views is very beneficial.  As it is only then that one can use one's own discernment of what "rings true" for oneself.

Of course a balance must be struck between the amassing of information and the actual practice of it.

As long as I (personally) remain open to learning and growing, then I am happy.

You never know - I just might see you in Hawaii!  If Nick Good is going to be there, then I'll definitely start a plan NOW.

Hey Jim, I love that you are looking at what works and what doesn't. I also love that you speak respectfully of all the raw speakers. I don't think I have ever heard you put one down.

I have been thinking about Doug and his appearance. I haven't personally seen him and I have personal experience with photos making me look shocking so I cannot personally comment on his.

I do wonder though if he is about to make a discovery? I think that sometimes things challenge us and our beliefs/knowledge. I have seen people very rigid in their beliefs who suddenly change one thing and all of a sudden massive amounts of info are available to them.

Doug won't stop searching. If something isn't working... I'll bet he finds out why and writes about it.

I have been listening to David Wolfe a lot. I like him. I too have been adding superfoods to my diet since fainting and feel much better for it. My tummy has gone flatter again and I have more energy. I wish these two guys could put aside their differences and work together.

xoxoxoxo

while the western guys are searching for the system, teh best ever food and lifestyle guru ever was on this planet is living in siberian tajga, completely bananana free on very low cal and very low sugar nutrition rich in in micronutrients, life energy and rich in highest quality fats.

Ok Rudy, you got my attention.
So what is this guru in Suberian Tajga (I assume that's a physical place) actually eating?
Steve

i suppose shes eating nuts from cedars Rudy hey?

Hi Jim...interesting training info...think it was you who mentioned Ross Enamait on here a while back.

I bought his books...and like you have stacks of training manuals, and like you am now intuitively developing my own approach in line with my own goals.

What you wrote earlier makes a lotta sense...

John

PS: LOL Ivan...I stopped myself from replying she was eating cedar trees...I'm gonna read the whole anastasia series before I comment...same with 811 Book...and a metre high pile of others on my desk...

Yes Ivan cedars nuts are important part of it, oil is used for healing.


Steve You must have missed all the talk and specific thread about Anastasia book series.

Go to

www.ringingcedars.com

the best info source about food, lifestyle, manifesting, creation, God comunication, real civilization, child birth, creation and rising, education, overview of reason for politics and solutions....

good readings John, fall and winter is always good time for readings

Maybe this is relevant Iv...and maybe it isn't....but it's an interesting story nonetheless.

John;

" Start with a cage containing five monkeys.

 Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set of stairs under it.

Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start climbing towards the banana.

As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all the other monkeys with cold water.

After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result:

All the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water.

Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.

Now, put away the cold water.

Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one.

The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs.

To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him.

After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with another new one.

The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked.

The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm!

Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth.

Each time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked.

Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in beating the newest monkey.

After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water.

Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the banana.

Why not? Because as far as they know that's the way it's always been done around here.

 

so deep-meaning John,

im not a long-writer like you dear Johnny but can add and tell you, that from what i understand happening now on the Earth, ''we are here'' to reset this pattern of old belief -speak fears- into a new pattern of conscioussnes called LOVE and move on as a Family...

Thos fears are not ours and have never been ours as they are not of the new monkeys in the cage...

question yourself what could happen if one of the monkey would decide to keep climbing the stairs nonenthless the others keep beating him... and what if the same monkey would lay on the ground bleeding but reach the banana and share it with some other monkeys in the cage?

it could be possible that all the monkeys in the cage finally would find peace and harmony and enjoy 'all bananas'' they want in life?

Much Love brother,
Iv

i havent eaten a banana for months...not cos i dont like em just cos there is so much other fruit abundance this time of year in radelaide.

anyone that wants to find some superherbs just grab a book by tim low on australian bush foods..heaps of tasty wild fruits and herbs. safe to eat. nutrient dense for those that pursue it.

i find the cleaner i live, the louder my body speaks to me if i go against its wishes. and i live by the saying 'its never wrong to do the right thing'.

we picked 55kg kilo of rock dusted, cert organic figs yesterday. about 2750$ at sydney retail prices..lol! of course we wont be able to eat them all and my mates organic shop will pump em out. but it just amazes me how much and how little fruit is out there..we just have to look for it..

great training tips jimbo. my calves are trashed today from some downhill running yesterday. all adds up to a sub 3 hr marathon this year. we must forge our true self.

doug is like all of us. ie the plant is as only as good as the seed. doug still walks upside down on his hands...all those legal battles, years of arrows shot his way and now the worries about bringing up a natural daughter in an unatural world are always gonna take there toll..

personally i find david's lifestyle more health conducing...everyone loves chocolate, pizza and exotic sounding products. ive hang'd  with dave a few times. he surely does have his chocolate harem..i never heard anyone talk against his message. but doug on the other had..his message is threating what we grew up with, we what know and live for. ive seen some interesting stuff hang'n with both crew. and its good to know whats going on behind the scenes.

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lunch is served.

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rock dusted star and moon melon. we picked, we punched it open and gobbled it on the ground with our hands..

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freelea doing some press's with the moon and star melon in the best organic shop in oz..lol!

Beautiful reply Ivan.

Much Love to you too bro.

anyone had okra flower pods? aka 'gumbo'
wow! i like em..very partial to the 2inch ones..

according to the www.bom.gov.au website..its 36celcius outside. ive just been on the bike for 4 hours..did a quick talk at some expo about raw liv'n. no one really cares..lol!

 'its too exspensive, its too simple, what about supplements, oh i like my red meat too much, i couldnt eat that much, what about winter? but ive got a husband, family, dog, wife..' i hear em all..and part of me says that no one cares and i should just spend more time out bush with the birds..but another part of me says 'that people do care and will act if they are given the right info and a living example..'

we live in a world where people will spend more on a handbag, pair of mags or a bicycle than they would budget for a year of organic fruits and veg..lol!
but they say 'whiners never win!' so im better quit my whining and continue my fruit dining...

Hey Harls, I've been having water before running and it's helping... thank you! I'm only having a glass but it is making a difference and when I get back it is easier to chug water down as well.

xoxoxox

I guess we all have digested from bingeing on sugar, lol , so I will post here, went bushwalking for time in a year i.e. away to the mountains, what a shock to the body found it difficult to respire and have always considered this as it is hard to 'train' when located in flat plain district anyway have stiff legs from the hard slog both up and down the trail, I carried three bottles of water as it was extremely hot, and snacked on nuts/dried fruit and essene bread feeling chuffed with my efforts.
Hey durian-rider I've meet all the people re your statements "who cares" they usually say to me so what, it suits you but you still get sick I reply but I recover quicker, that is why I love having this forum, like minded folk and a place for me to learn and share ideas....blessed all  :yahh:  

being hydrated and getting outdoors always gets us meeting new faces

ran 9km with freelea today. i rode while she ran and then she rode and i ran. 1 bike.

hanging out on organic farms always ensures some top tucker. san marzano, colibri and bulleton tomatoes...nothing beats a vine or bush ripend tommy!

on this path we are always finding little gems. like the 40 year old fig tree before it gets bulldozed for the concrete town house prison or the organic farmer that wants to feed you on produce till you hurt..lol!

unplug your tv from the mainstream media. re program yourself with the best viewing.
more and more we learn the purest experiences are found in nature. more and more we learn that the only things worth having in life, money can not buy. get rid of the material crap that is holding you back from living the life you really want. you are not your car, you are not your watch, your are not your portpholio, you are not what your neighbours think of you. you are whatever you want to be.

 sleep in the dirt one night, sleep naked outdoors under the moon...do something you dreamed of doing.

get in touch with nature. get in touch with your true natural self.
people are spraying bugs with monsanto *tails..but bugs dont cause cancer..sprays do. the bug has no possesions. no material wants, no hairstyle appointment. it one of natures ultra light travellers. we can learn a lot from bugs. people say they cant afford a tony robbins show, thats fine, just go hang outside and watch for a few hours. i watched a fly land on me today. i pretended to swat it, the fly flew to another part of my leg. it didnt appear stressed. it got over the danger quickly. we can learn a lot from animals. boycott animal products from your fork and cup.

life is not the number of goals we score
but rather,
how we play the game  which counts for more!

did 140km yesterday. there is a fun ride on every year in adelaide. its 120km and i always start it late so i can get a good workout by using other riders as fuel to catch up to.

yet yesterday i thought i got out of bed too late to catch anyone..as i got to the start of the 10km climb and the dudes were packing up the course signs..so i thought id just have a dig and see i could catch anyone!

got to the top of the climb and saw a bunch of riders..then some more and more.  i only got passed by one rider, my mate mick whom is training to make the national squad. he is 21 and keen as mustard to suffer on the bike. together we swapped off turns and passed well over a 1000 riders. all with me wearing my 'go vegan' bike kit..so i got to plant a few seeds and prove a few points...

i did the whole ride on a bunch of grapes..well under the amount i needed, as the last 10km i 'bonked' real hard. bonking is the term cyclists use to running out of muscle glycogen. you start to feel dizzy, disorientated and cant see properly. i was fully hydrated so wasnt concerned of doing organ damage in the heat..and just rode the last 10km reminding myself to carry a little more fruit next time..

i know some new riders have 'bonked' not fully understood the physiology of it and gone to hospital or for those raw riders gone back to cooked food etc. but once we gain more understanding of how the human body works we can chill out and just kick back with confidence.

after a few kg of melon and a 5 minute lay down, i was ready to go again. from wobbly legs up the climbs, unable to talk properly, to full mental capacity and  being about to ride strong again in minutes...the body works fast. sugar is vital.

so this proves that years of experience mean nothing if i dont put it to practise. i failed to eat sufficient carbs after saturdays hill efforts. and i failed to eat sufficient carbs during sundays ride. i paid the price with sub par performance at the end of the ride when i should have been stronger. lesson learned : eat enough fruit champ!

Two hours of power yoga and then an hour of bodyweight training friday night.
I ran 40km of bush fire trails on Saturday.

On Sunday I did an hour of power yoga, 30mins of transformetrics then ran 45km around the city on sunday. Had some arrands to do so instead of driving I ran through suburbs, ridges and fire trails to reach points A, B and C.

Did the whole thing shirt off with my camelbak on (like my pic on left). Plenty of water and a tub of blended deglet noor dates with water for the odd sugar hit underneath the tongue.

Unbelievably despite being in the ferocious afternoon sun on both days I am unable to get burnt. I just brown further.  A lot of passing underneath tree shade through gullys and ridges, but still lots of constant exposure!

ChiRunning enables me to run injury free.
MSM in my drinking water prevent soreness in the muscles.

I feel good enough to run another marathon again today!  But work beckons....

big miles = big smiles..
power on jimbo!

Thanks durianrider for sharing your fruit loving and stories of wonderful adventures! Many of your posts have really spoken to me and helped me to realise my love for fruit and my ability to have it in my life. Many thanks and sweet, juicy abundant blessings!

Well done Jim. That's awesome. Thank you for the MSM reminder. I'll go have some now.

Do you have the blended dates in your water while running or do you have that for after running? Also, were you fair skinned before raw or have you always tanned pretty well and are now skipping the burning part.

Either way....  :yahh:

Thanks Jim, you just keep on inspiring me.

xoxoxo

thanks all.

rode 115km yesterday with the sports institute bunch. 20 of australias best male and female cyclists. up and down hill. it was 39.9 yesterday in radelaide. for me its never to hot if i have enough water to drink.

one hill effort i was sitting behind a mate whom is set for bejing olympics. he averaged 450 watts up a 6km climb we did. training with him always brings me good form...lol!

we smashed up one climb and there was a dead possum on the road, i said 'some lean protein fellas!' and we had a laugh.

back at the cafe it was coke zero's and water for all. i just stuck with the water and my zero drug policy...

its a great feeling to be able to keep up with the worlds best cyclists on a diet that their coaches says is not adequate. heck one of the guys was asking me how to stay cool on the hot days. cos you just cant learn that stuff in uni. its earnt on the road via mud sweat and tears.

we are in a heat wave in adelaide at the moment. 2 weeks over 35celcius. grapes and figs still dripping en masse. im eating like its going out of fashion. growth hormone stimulating training rides. massive recovery. im down to 63.8kg and havent even started racing yet. hills i normally grinded up im spinning like a hummingbird.

low carb soft drink
high carb pasta party
lets em ride fast
but there health is short to last
fit bodies with tired faces
drug fueled to win races
sacrifing youth, for money and fame
just to provide entertainment to the numbed out public
its a dam'n shame.

Awesome Harls. Well done. it's very inspiring hearing about your training.

enjoy the figs. Even non-organic are over $20kg here right now.

xoxoxo

wow, ive been feasting on figs today, got them at 3 bucks a kilo from the local farmers market. I will eat each one with more appreciation than before, so thanks jen for making me more grateful to the abundant figs at my reach!!!  I have been just passing them and grabbing a few to eat every time I walk past, eating them, enjoying them but not really thanking them. I NEED to eat them today for Im going away tomorrow and cant take them with them,only in nutrient and energy form!.....Ive enjoyed figs before but not like I love them now being raw. I will be planting a fig tree amoungst many fruit trees in my backward to bare their gifts. ohh the joys of how a humble fig can tranpire  into your awakening life. plant more trees!!!!!

xxx

more figs in our hood than we can eat...many(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/durianrider/DSC00973.jpg) types..check out this bowl. foraged figs and blackberries..


bluberries just finished up. we feasted for days on em...
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picking rock dusted certified figs on a 35 celcius day..(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/durianrider/DSC00742.jpg)

some more raw vegan mates..(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/durianrider/DSC00955.jpg)

rode past this shop the other day..the name says it all...lol! can you believe a shop like this exists..lol! check out the other flicks i took on the roll..

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 rofl

Love the  pics. I also enjoy your thread DR-always inspiring to move my body as much as I can.

 rofl

I just blended some alice springs bread dates in water, and put it in a small tupperware tub and put it in my camelbak.  I just held it under the tongue until it was all absorbed.

I always had the Canberra tan - i.e. white as a ghost - and burnt easily 15mins of summer sun.  I went to the West Indies in April last year - browned up, came home went 100% raw and i've been brown ever since.   Can take up to 3-4hrs in direct hot summer sun before I feel like I am starting to burn.

We all inspire each other...

Awesome Jim. I don't peel these days but do still burn. But I still slip with cooked occasionally too. Makes all the difference this whole 100% bizzo!

xoxoxo

i was reading the side effects of some meds my nan was taking..one of them was 'sensitity to sunlight'...maybe they should put the 'poison: keep out of reach of children' label on cooked food...cos its on ALL meds..

my legs are still sore from a 36:22 minute 9.1km run. hadnt run for 2 weeks. got the cardio from cycling but running just trashes the legs so i end up sore for 2 days if i aint running weekly.

the body is a machine. it must be tested then rested!

got the weekly hill time trial tonight with the fellas. its over 35celcius out there so guaranteed sweat session for sure.

intense exercise on a hydrated, carbed up system followed by stretching, rest, sleep etc...the ultimate lymph pump..free to those whom chose it.
no dollars needed..just hard sense!

oh yeah for the record..its day 123 of overt fat free..

I haven't been 100% either for a number of reasons. Weakness the number 1 though. 2007 was the best year of my life, but 2008 hasn't been the best year ever for me, and its largely not my fault - just the people around me, relying on me, placing their stress and issues on my shoulders. I've made some mistakes this year, slipping back into old habits, old goals and not following my true purpose like I did in 2007. I don't want to run from it, people need my help - particularly my family and close friends - but it has worn me down and I have then had my weak moments. But I am determined to help where I am needed and not have others battles turn into my own mental battles and weaknesses. Just this week I have made the decision to walk away from the company I have run with two of my close friends for 10 years. I've been putting energy into a goal that is their's and no longer mine, but I never wanted to let them down.  Just making that decision has transformed my own personal energy and I feel I can make everything work again.  Mostly our diet failures have absolutely nothing to do with food.

We are all fighting an uphill battle in our own worlds.

First step for me is to go the rest of March 100% raw, start doing what I really want to do 100% of the time and things will turn around, even for the people I feel I am letting down by my choices

I am sooo in sync with your post, I'd planned 2008 to be a year of looking out for ME but have slipped back into 'ole ways of putting family & friends first, body is warning me lotsa headaches and lack of sleep.
My aim is to cut out negative people, track back to at least 50% raw juice more and learn to run better guess this will cause some smiles but truly I'm a lousy jogger and have never been keen on running. :uhuh:

the world needs more selfish people..ie people doing what they really want to do. then we have less angry people etc. less people getting to 20.30.70 or 100 and looking back at their life and seeing that are guilty of a wasted life. a life of truth and abundance sacrificed to live up to advertising billboard images of nice homes, cars and perfect hip/ waist ratios that represent the latest in liposuction technology.

 ...imagine a world where everyone was happy cos they were doing what they wanted to do all the time..where no one was jealous of anyone, cos everyone realised that there is no one to blame but ourselves. at the end of the day we tell people yes or no. someone calls us up to do something, we decide what the answer is. my mum tells me about her hip problem, i tell her to drop the 30kg sack of potatoes she has been carrying for the last 15 years. i dont lose sleep over the fact mum doesnt believe me cos i aint 'university studied' and she prefers to drop thousands upon thousands on physio's, natropaths, doctors and the other symptom treating crew. i dont lose sleep over the fact we live in a society that is taught in kindy that 'its not your fault and have some fairy bread to make things better...'
cos losing sleep aint gonna help me on my path...losing sleep over people and their choices..been there and done that. we can learn from other peoples mistakes. i know drugs are bad cos i see my mates suicide lifestyles. i know working in a job i hate to buy crap i dont need only gives me status to fellow drones that live the same fried lie. we live in a society where people judge us according to our acquisition of meaningless material goods and services. the crap we own ends up owning us. people are disputing fence posts on land that was sold to them in exchange for a 30 year life sentence. 30 years if your lucky, 20 years if you take no holidays or avoid organic etc. all for stolen land! lol! world banks deciding what country has enough food. pharmacutical companies deciding what nation has what mood. all while i sit and watch 'fight club' starring bradd pitt..'he's a cool dude!'

we are here to do what we love and love what we do...
anything else is paddling up that river they call 'da nile'

as for being a runner or a cyclist or an organic farmer...one thing in common i see with champs is that they believe in themselves. i see that self doubt is the hardest opponent to drop...like last nights hill ride. its leg burning stuff. pumps battery acid into your calves. the little downer voices tell you to stop, that it hurts and perhaps its too hot to have your heartrate above lactate threshold, and that you might get crows feet around your eyes cos your wincing in so much pain...then the true self voice kicks in..tells you to harden the f' up. pull up the sleeves and charge on. that hard sense makes sense. that if your hurting on the climb, the other riders with you, must be close to cardiac arrest and that its time for me to turn up the pace so that only those able to keep up are testing positive. positive in drugs and/ or mental attitude.

was highly motivated last night. one of the riders works for a drug company in cancer 'care'. i told him about the people i know that have overcome cancer via diet and lifestyle. he said 'they most likely didnt have cancer to start with and that no food can cause or cure cancer yet it makes sense to eat healthy'...i guess when your getting a grant worth 500K you gotta say what's gonna pay....
turns out another rider does research for the csiro in 'human nutrition'. for the last few months he looks at me in disbelief. maybe im too much veganism on wheels for his indoctrinated mind to handle. maybe im thinking to much about what others think of me. maybe i should just focus more on mashing the pedals and increasing my vo2 max. cos after all 'example aint the main thing people follow..example is the ONLY thing..'

get out there. dont just push the envelope, lick it and send the message for eternity.

Well done Jim for making that decision - how freeing for you.


You can feel you are letting people down, or you can choose to see it as giving them an amazing opportunity for growth - it's up to you. 

And if they have problems with your decision then that's their problem, not yours.

plenty o' fruit carbs today
plenty of power tommorrow, they say...

during this mornings ride up a 6km climb, 2 national level riders were giving me crap about wearing organic athlete kit. there was about 20 in the bunch. we were 1km into the climb. then one of the riders attacked past me. so i grabbed his wheel and another came accross to us. he attacked over us 2 and then i went with him. the first rider blew up and went back to the bunch. the 2nd chump beat me to the summit by about 6 seconds. i havent raced for 3 years...but i know thats the fastest time ive ever riden that climb..and the dude that beat me by 6 seconds..he is 7 seconds faster up that climb than brett aitken..olympic gold medalist. so that means i win a banana medal at the drug free olympics..

some would have seen this mornings ego battle up the climb as torture. the heart rates and leg burn could kill. but we saw it as a bit of fun. life should be fun. if one choses to eliminate certain foods it should be fun. if one chooses to be a fit, healthy and positive example and risk being shot down..it should be fun!

freelea pumped out 18.2km this morning. her longest run ever. with matching blood blisters as accessories.

another day, another ride..
2 week heat wave taken in my air conditioned free stride.

stomped out 95km yesterday. not very far but hard as. big steep hills to help build your fitness skills. if the terrain wasnt stimulating enough the riders i was with were. 10 of the best road riders in sa. real objective guys to gauge your fitness against. you cant pay money to get training like this. you have to get out on the road and earn it. anyone is welcome. its free. you just gotta keep positive inside when its hurting outside. keep positive to keep up.

anyone can be a star athlete. anyone whom wants it. yeah im talking to you!
get a generic program from any fitness magazine..get out there and go! whatever sport you enjoy!

flicking thru my training diary and it said 129 days overt fat free. few days ago my mate offered my some fresh cert organic pistachios he picked that day. they look like little mangoes as they are a relative of mango. you peel back the skin and the shell is exposed. the nut flesh is very juicy at this stage. you could get juice from em if you put em thru a juicer. had a meal of em. not as energising as a fruit meal but a nice seasonal nut experience.

then the next day knocked on a door of a known backyard almond score. grabbed a stash. cracked em within minutes. wild and free almond butter from the tree to me..my mouth being the nut butter machine.

after months not eating any fat..it digested well. eating locally and in season..automatically raises ones nutritional bank account as fresh food has the best nutrition. i still will say no to nuts that i didnt pick or a friend didnt pick. nuts have a very small season..mother natures way of saying 'eat em minimal'...

had a south australian mango today. the season has just wrapped up.

went to an organic farm the otherday and picked a 10kg box of grapes. lasted the 2 of us 48 hours.

rode 130km yesterday with the sports institute cyclists. we did 5 race pace efforts up corkscrew road..one of the most feared climbs in adelaide. but at the end of the day its just a hill. hard hills finish...hard people dont. after 3 laps most of the guys went home. these sports institute guys couldnt even finish the training set out by the coach who followed on the motorbike.. not even after drinking b12 and caffiene drinks? and they aint newbies..these are seasoned A graders...

yeah i did my 5 laps...all on fruit that i had foraged the day before. carried a few grapes and jube-jubes in the back of my jersey. replensihed glycogen stores post ride with organic rockmelons.

i was the only one that didnt drink drugs, but i wasnt last up the climbs...

todays food intake was 4kg of grapes. 1kg of backyard tomatoes. and few hundred grams of organic greens.
did a couple of hours in the hills. woke up at 63.5kg. at 183cm tall that puts me as clinically underweight. just like lance. just like the guys that beat me yesterday..they were even lighter..so you see i dont grade myself against charts based on couch potatoes.i grade myself on how i used to be compared to how i feel in the moment and if i can keep up with or beat word class cyclists.

hard food, sleep and attitude
will determine your outright altitude!

Wow Jim. Thanks for such an honest post. It takes guts to walk away from that type of commitment. I don't know where you are headed but I think it's for great things.

Harley I love this thread. I am learning so much about you. I love how hard you are working to get to the top of what you do on your own. Your own way. Your determination is inspiring to say the least.

xxooxxo

Harley, what intersts me is the attitude of team or insitute or national coaches.

Not about discussing with You teh nutrition, but discussing with Yiou Your cycling ability, the performance in training sessions etc.

Are they offering You from time to time a place on the team, do You get invitation to the races etc ?

I understand the reason for refusing all that, I woukld refuse also if I was in Your saddle, but I am intrerested if they trying to get You or not ?

im 30..maybe if i was 18 and riding this fast id turn a few heads...but there is a lot of 30 year olds that can ride pretty quick in adelaide. cut off for the state team is around 23. ive already had my racing days in europe. i know what it takes to ride the next level and i aint prepared to sacrifice my health to do it. im content with national level. its healthier..

thanks jen, yeah its one thing to gain knowledge..another to practise it with belief and comitment.

had a recovery day today. but man i feel good from sundays smash fest. when you break yourself down that much and give yourself the nutrition and rest the body needs..thats when you make real gains.

 did 85km yesterday. some turbo sprints and a 10minute hill climb time trial all out.

food intake yesterday.
4kg of grapes
500g of tomato.
26bananas for dinner. large ones. in a smoothie. bananas and water. thats it. i would have eaten more but that was all the ripe ones i had.

an average banana is only 100calories. so eating 26barneys is 2600cals approx. i rode just over 4hours yesterday at average 600 cals an hour. thats 2400cals.

add that 2400 cals to around 2500cals for someone my fitness, sex, weight and height and we have 4900cals.
add my 4kg of grapes at 700cal a kg..and we have 2800cals.

so i needed around 4900cals yesterday to maintain body weight.
i ate 2800 from the grapes and 2600 from the bananas..thats 5400cals.

so give or take some calories according to how cold i was, how much calories was actually in the fruit according to ripeness etc and we quickly see how much food we actually need to eat in order to train at a high level. ie have enough fuel to train for a long time..not just a month and burn out from not eating enough carbs and then feeling crap cos we didnt meet our fitness goals and going back to eating slop to numb the pain.

which is something i see in society all to often..especially in the cycling scene..i see lots of crew get hyped to ride and after a few months or a year they fade due to lack of carbs or water. its that simple. so simple that most refuse to believe it after all they invested 15k on a bike and when someone tells em that all they needed to do was eat more carbs and drink more water and sleep some more..thats just too easy!

but thats a lot of fruit and its so exspensive! well i picked 3 out of the 4kg of grapes. and got the last kg for 1$ of the local cert organic farmer. the bananas were cert organic from a shop for a 1$ a kg cos they were spotty ie ripe. so my total food bill yesterday was about 5$ including the organic tomatoes...5$?!! and you can ask people in my town and they will loudly claim that fruit is too expsensive here..but like anything..the bargains are there for those that want em..i dont have much cash..i choose time over money. time to keep it real and find the deal..

so yeah, carb up! to carve it up!

photo of todays breakfast..13 or so organic bananas. i think this lot cost me a 1.60 or something.
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Don't I know it! I am just embarking on my first challenge Harls! 60 days. I still haven't done a month yet... I'll be reading back here for inspiration if I feel like I need some. Keep it coming!

xoxoxox

eat enough fresh sweet fruit..its that simple.
some more recent shot of 'le poser durianrider'...for me the body is like a race car..you strip back the excess so your highly tuned engine has minimal obstruction for maximum performances. or maybe ive just been hang'n with too many elite athletes lately...

was at the airport this morn with a mate whom is going to holland to race for a bit in lead up to bejing games. hang'n with faster riders, they always rub off a bit on you. they say we become the sum of the 6 people we spend the most time with..choose wisely eh?



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Lucky Free! That rash looks like it'd be a pain... if it's a rash. Hope it heals soon Harls.

xoxoxox

birthmark that looksl like a rash..

went for a quick run last night. felt great after a couple of km.
i read this running mag the other day and it had the comment 'i wake up after 5km'...how true.

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this photo i took when reading 811 under a tree in byron bay...maybe the snake wanted to improve health and bodyshape!

first road race in a few years yesterday. got 3rd and grabbed 70$. thats 70kg of organic bananas...
we rode to the race and rode back.total of 115km.  i felt so good and had scored an easy grade that i started pushing a mate up one a climb when 2 guys attacked up the road. i thought we would bring em back but they opened up a good gap and i did a solo effort for 20mins to the line but only to see them 2 cross a 30 seconds in front of me....oh well. next week.

did 5 hours on the xc bike today with some mates. roarphood came out and had was climbing well too. got home feeling strong and in need of more sugar. as the 14 bananas for breakfast and handful of sultanas on the ride had been burned easily. a few kg of grapes and  500g of  new seasons deglect noor dates, replenished the carbs in the legs for tommorrows training. eating enough carbs ensures we can keep training in order to meet our long and short term fitness goals.

yesterday i did some basic math..
i woke up at 63.8 kg.
i drank around 4litres of water.
ate about 3kg of food.
then came home after the race at 62.5kg
so technically i went from 70.8 (weight after eating, drinking.) to 62.5kg in just 5 hours. thats over a kg an hour..
its amazing how the bodies weight changes over the course of a day. i weigh myself after training to measure any weight loss cos its just hydration loss in a day and i make sure to drink myself back up to the weight i was when i woke up.
this simpe tip ensures im keeping on track with hydration and avoid the number 1 cause of overtraining, DEHYDRATION!
here is a pic of new season alice springs 'deglect noor' variety dates.

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Wow! Hows the colour of them? Aweome. Interesting weight stats too...

xoxoxox

Alice Springs deglet noor dates!  my absolute favourites!!   harley where did you buy them from?

Oh I forgot to mention... congratulations on getting a place in your race! Well done.

xoxoxox

Wow man, you just keep on going! Awesome effort in the race!

I have done a little seeking for a source of fresh aussie dates with no fruits - would you mind revealing your source? They look divine!

Enjoy!

thanks!

in adelaide they are distro'd by steves organics.

 good eyes jim! moist new season deglects!

freelea and i rode 109km yesterday. with a few hills in for good measure. freelea rode the windy point climb in a pb of 16;06. her new clipless shoes/ pedals have allowed full muscle force to the pedals.

training is easy when we eat enough fuel...

Go Free!!!  :yahh: