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OK so lets do it. Juice Feasting, initialy targetting 92 days but be flexible about it and responsive to the body feedback.

Few days left for preparation, to me it means to finish the food I have before march 1st, some seeds, and apricot kernels leftovers from apricot season.

Am planning on doing regular LGBF and SWF along the way,

and using the stuf like :

honey, molases, spirulina, ocean salt, Barley Grass, Macca, Chia,

have kinda ordered the green juicer for wheat grass, lettuce, herbs and weeds...

might throw some dry fasting days in .

Feel free to post here any ideas, and if You join in post here or if You prefere in Your own thread the experiences suggestions...

Lets get liquidy

AWESOME!

I'm after some good quality bee pollen and hemp oil as part of my preparation, if anyone can recommend a good source, please do.

Bottoms up,
Nic

Ultimately I wish to play with some very short dry fasts reguarly too.  I have done a couple of 18 hour dfs and notice a difference, pretty powerful.  Haven't felt clean enough though of late to do any more due to a few indulgences here and there.  :rolleyes:

oh yeah beepolen of course.


I am not sure how to get hemp seeds or oil in this silly country ?

Rudy - organic, food grade, cold pressed hemp oil is pretty easy to get online - locally.

Google ahoy!

The seeds are another matter, of course.  :rolleyes:

We have to settle for hemp flour, protein powder or hemp meal.  And only for pet consumption. ;)

* was (at one time) doing a lot of work on hemp in Australia - he's something of a hemp expert.  And his living food recipes use a number of hemp derivatives.

 :laugh:

It seems I can't mention the name of the Australian raw foodie who is pro-hemp.  His name is not "*"

Giggles can You PM me all the secret infos about hamp smuggling, we can keep the neocons "inteligence"
services on their toes, so teh basterad are not getting paid for nothing, they changed teh puppets last election but nothing else.

There is a little puppy inside me, who needs regular hemp porridge :laugh:

but I am just wondering if chias sre not superior to hemp anyway, or at least equal replacement  :huh:

Thanks Miss Giggles.

One thing I have been wondering about hemp oil and its popularity within the raw scene, Is whether it is a more stable oil than flax oil, which is quite well known for being rancid before you even break the seal of the lid.

 :laugh:

Rudy - there's no secret when it comes to hemp oil or the flour.  These are readily available legally - flour not for human consumption, of course. ;) 

It's just seeds that we can't get.  Although, I remember Freedom finding a source in WA ages ago.  Again, that doesn't help those of us in the east, as you wouldn't get it through the post.  I was so close to trying my luck at bringing hemp seeds back from Sedona, but thought it wasn't worth the jail time.  Besides, I've seen episodes of Border Security.

Nic - I am almost positive that hemp oil is definitely more stable than flax.  I can't give you any source, but I'll have a look a bit later in other realms, and report back.

Rudy - I'll pm you some links for hemp oil and such that I've found, but I've not used their products.  I use olive and coconut oil mostly.  I WANT SEEDS.  :laugh:

I might see if I can contact Paul B, as he was at one time lobbying really hard for hemp seeds as a food source.

Thanks Michelle, appreciate that.

x x Nic

remember reading in Wolfes 'Naked Chocolate' that hemp oil has a PV -Peroxide Value- (sort of Rancidity Value) of aprox. 0.1 - 0.5 which is very, very good...

in comparision Ext. Virgin Olive Oil which is far more stable than Flax has a PV of 15-20...

so definetly more stable as Flax Oil 

Thanks Iv, that is good to know!

Much warmth,
Nic

thanks for the warmth Nelly :yawn:,

Hemp oil is said to have the best Omega 3-6 ratio so you can take it on a regulary basis without having any sort of unbalance, reason why so popular...

the taste has to be nutty and smooth... store it in the fridge to prevent rancidity in any case...


 
   

Smiles!

getting ready, cloeaning up my nutrition, increasing teh liquid part of the  food, and decreasing the solids.

Did SWF this morning.

Just heard from Jennie, that I will get my wheat grass manual juicer in a week  :yahh:

Did measure my fat, yak, will have comparison numbers.

all is getting set up.

getting exited

OK so its 1st of March.

I did attempted the LGBF, but it did not happen the way I expected, no visible cleanout effect on the physical side, however I had complete change on emotional level.

But the attempt means that I did not have any solids, only liquids since 28 feb, so today is actually day 3 of JFing

Lots of green tea with honey and lemon, chewing on apples and occasionaly on some other stuff like carrot, lettuce, plums, peaches, today on raspberries on the farm etc, allway just sucking in the juices and spitting the fibres.

I feel much more energy comming from the food this way as compared from the juice from juicing machine,

as I get all teh smells taste etc as well.

drink little bit of green juice - cellerey + cucmber and some days also carrot+appless.

Had nice watermellon today as well, and bought pineaplle beetroots pears, peaches, so I am set for few days.

If I feel hunger or tummy cramps I simply drink very hot green tea with honey and all is great.

Tomorrow is state masters championship in athletics - the weight pentathlon, will be fun competing against real strong heavy men with my 60 kg weight  :laugh:

i'm always amazed in the way your 'original' in what you are doing/trying...

go Rudolph, go... hehe

sunday was day 4.

I went to VIC masters T&F championship, it was teh Weight Penthathlon, this was on separate day as it is too complicated, the mani championship is teh comming weekend

It was very hot and very direct strong sun, absolutely clear skies. I was on the direct sun between 10am-4pm,
than driving home in overheated car.

Lots of green tea morning, managed to make little of pineaple-apple juice to take with me, took also more green tea, jar with honey water and bottle with soaked chiaseeds and bottle with spirulina in water.

I was drinking a lot during the day, was feeling hungry only little bit, but it was the weather frocing the drinking, so the liquid sytem was just the right stuff anyway.

I did not get into discussion about nutrition etc at all, so nobody there had any clue what I was doing, they just could see I was drinking a lot.

It was great fun, I have to admitt I was scared, some of the stuff I have never done in my life.

I was scared that I might injure myself, either smashing teh equipement into some of my precious nbody parts or pull some tendons muscles in complicated movements with heavy weights.

All good.

They were laughing a lot at me, all of them many years throwers, former eleite athletes still displaying exellent technique etc.
They were all very helpfull and I learned a lot.

The hammer is 6kg (at my age group) iron ball attached to about 1 metre long thin wire and there is handle at the other hand. Supposedly we should turn this stuff very quickly about 3 times around teh body - over the head, and than do about 3 fast and speeding turn with it and release it in the right moments. I did swing it around me few times with smashing my knees, head or my nuts with it, but did not attempt the turning stuff and just let it dropp few meters away.
Discuss was also great show, I did do funny turns with it but releasing it in wrong moments and maged to throw it above the high cage, which was commented - nobody has ever done that before...
Javelin was relatively good I learned quickly and achieved my relative best performance
shot put was OK but I should have acieved longer distance.
Last was heavy weight (this is not from the athletics olympics program, so Youi never seen this before. My weight was more than 11kgs (25lbs), very short chain and teh same handle as hammer, and tha same hammer techniqu was used. I produced exxellent entertaing according to others and managed to dropp it every time inside the cage enclosure - so very short distance, was trying the turns with it - I was the only one not laughing.

I am sore all over the body, but since there were only 2 people in my age category I have a silver medal  :rofl:

Comming home I chewed on 6 peaches, really needed taht sweetness, chew few apples and some cucmbers

and went to movies with family -

 Run Fat Boy

 I reckon the movie is good and has some learning values in it, also some laughing etc, and could be motivational for would be runners, also good value for relationship issues.

it is day 9, morning.

on day 5 there was no BM so I drink laxative sena tea early afternoon, and few hours later what come out was like mucu-mudd foamy... so I decided to do SWF next morning and that cleaned out the rest of it.

appart from that I do not feel the need at this stage for SWF, every day at least BM sometimes 2-3.

Still drinking mainly warm water or grean tea with honey and lemon, and only very little juicing.
Doing lots of chewing instead. I take carrots and appless with idea to make a juice but somehow to decide to chew and spit instead. I am not sure if it is lazyness to clean the juicer etc, or if body is asking for that extra energy which comes from chewing ?

My regime is actually half way to MC (maple replaced by honey), so it is not exactly juicing feast.

From very frist days my detox symptoms were : sore throat, congested sinuses, painfull ears, and some slight congestion of bronchi and lungs.
All of that was my typical childhood - teenage stage, so hopefuly the old rubbish is comming out.

I was quite weak, did not do any exercising appart from sunday weight penthathlon and tuesday evening track walks at masters athletics, feeling weak, and lethargic at boths. I also feel quite stiff, lower flexibility, stiff joints and tendons, and some joints - tendons actually quite painfull - elbows, shoulders, hips, knees, ankles, achiless.
I relate these to my old states of bordering on rheumatism-arthritis, rheuumatic fewer etc and related antibiotics.

Finaly on day 8 I started to feel bit better. Decided I need to get moving, and needed to change the traing system for this period,
So put down list of exercises whuich I need to do to cover whole body and target the most important muscle chains systems, and decided to do just easy set of low reps with easy weights, just to get through the movement and speed up teh circulation, elimination etc.

That worked well on day 8, now on morning of day 9 I feel it and am bit stiff and tired so am not sure what I am going to do today.
On day 10 and 11 I have state masters track championship, with 3000m racewalk on day 10, and 1500m racewalk on day 11, and javelin and weight throw on day 11 afternoon. I also volunteered to be officials helper during both days, when I am not competing, unfortunately weather forcast is promissing 35 degrees and full sun exposure.
To make it more complicated we are nopt alleowed to brihg cars there as the car park is used for something else, so either to use public transport or to get a lift with those who get the parking permission but it means I cant take lots of stuff with me and would not have a chance to keep it in the car and just pop in to take new drinks etc.

I realize that I feel weaker and would not be able to perform my best, was hoping for PB's in all events, but decided long term to stick with detox is more important.

At the end I did not go to masters championships. Although it was coolish mornings so possibly good condition before noon, and possibly could have done a nice performances and PB's.

Went for run saturday and sunday morning, and each morning did run 1 lap of !km nature reserve (hills, grass, loose rocks etc) very fast.

I have made to decision not to do any running and only do walking before th Centurion walking challenge, however my intuition is doing something else.

Amazingly I run much faster than I expected and kept the HR=140.

I onle felt slight tension and slight pain in achilles and ankles and heels, but it recovered quickly and next morning I run few secs faster.

It looks like current detox programm is working well, cleaning the lower legs and teh liver after 2 LGBF is also working much better.

It nearly looks like I can resume full running training after more than 20 years ?

Appart from that I have strange epizodes of metabolism nearly stopping, my body temperature drops down for few hours today I had to dress up into winter skiing stuff including the hat and the warm gloves, 2 winter jackets and under the duna for few hours and was cold all the time anyway.
That the heat wave came, stripped down naked and am sweating, so for these reason I am gald I did not go to city for athletics.

Still chewing, appless carrot parshnip, lettuce, peaches, plums, drinking lots of green tea and having lots of honey and lemon, also chewing on oranges and occasionaly on red grapefruits.

2 days ago I was chewing on grapes and had bad body reaction, went acidic, and only chewing on cellery got me partialy back.

Earlier in the process, my body rejected tomatoes completely went acidic, and even these are home grown tomatoes, so 100% organic and fresh, my body says NO, also stopped craving red capsicum, so it looks like the end for the shade group produce.

Still love and chew on lots of cucumbers.

Mmmmm cucumbers are lovely. I adore them.

You know Rudy that Don Tolman says that when you react to a food that, unless the reaction is anaphylactic shock, the reaction is the body OVER REACTING to nutrients in that food to which it is deficient. I trust that you know what you are doing but I do notice in a lot of people who fast that they can no longer tolerate foods and I wonder if the fasting is creating deficiencies.

If you feel like experimenting I can send you his program (it's not copyrighted) to get you having these foods again. It's up to you either way.

I loved your pentathlon post. Your sense of humour towards yourself is inspiring. Congrats on the medal!

xoxoxox

Hi Jennie, thanks for teh advice.

Somehow I do not feel it applays this time.

I was eating a lot of capsicum and tomatoes for the whole year, was binging on them and craving them, and last few weeks even more, since our tomatoes in the garden started ripeng in volumes.

The bodys decision to reject it means in my view as I am detoxing, lots of toxins are highly acidic, and teh body does not need of of it , at least at this stage.

Also since I was eating tomatoeas and capsicum all year in huge volumes I do not believe I could be deficient in their nutrients at all.

recation to grapes, similar to water melon is different it is reaction to high sugar concentration, I allways have this reaction, cant eat lots of these 2 suggary foods, basicaly I am eating them ioccasionaly for teh reason of black-red grapes conatining some special nutrients, but this is comming from logic not from body intuition, and the watermellon is so refreshing and juicy so it is obvious choice in summer, buyt I am usually very dissapointed with the tase of it, when I actually eat it. I simply cant find watermellons tasting the same as back in europe.

I am actually quite happy to drop the shades from my food list.

day 14.

last few days I managed to get some reading time, I picked Tanya's book again, reading chapters on water hydration and dry fasting. I am glad I have, teh dry fasting issue is writent very well in there or at least it had all I was after and needed to read. So decided to give a go.
Monday had plan to stop eating at 2pm and do dry fast (abosolutely no water etc) for 36 hours, but with the idea of being flexible and sensitive about it. 2pm had carrot apple parshnip juice. That just made me very hungry, and so was chewing on fruits and some vegs till 6pm.

I found the chewing on fresh corn very satisfying and very energizing.

so dry fast started 6pm monday, but no water or tea since 2 pm so was getting the feeling of slight dehydration later evening.
Amazingly I was still producing lots of pee, even had to get up 4am to pee, and than another pee when I finaly get off the bed after 6am next morning.

During the day I was getting tired, dizzy, sleepy, had about 2H nap midday, and the only thing I was able to do when getting up after 2 pm was drop in fron of TV. 3pm as I got off teh couch, I get so dizzy, was just so close to fainting, that I went down on my knees and hands to get close to floor in case...
after 5 minutes I slowly got up, and manage to walk to kitchen decided to end dry fast after 21 hour.

chew on 3 oranges and 1 grapefruit, than 3 appless, lots of lyches, cucumber, some lettuce, bit of carot, and the most energy again came from chewing corn. at 6 pm I was feeling quite good, so we went the whole family to masters athletics evening, I as not really sure what will happen after fast and dehydration (onmly had about 400ml of green tea between 3-6pm), We were laqte, no time for warm up, stretches etc, and straight the first walking race - it felt very easy and good, appart from short of breath from lack of warmup. Very good time result, that it was some silly team-rellay where every person runs 400m and walks 400m with break in between when the other person competes, my turmn was 400m walk first, and I went super fast, catching and overtaking better walkers, was exited by the time, but UI was aware I was breaking teh contact rule - I am not used to walk at this speed at all, so it ended up as a partial run.
Last race for me was 3km walk and I was very satisfied with the time and teh pace during the race.

So I would say these dray fasting periods with some juices after can produce much better performnace, hope it is a sign of improved health - better detox etc.

Of course I am not making conclusion from just 1 short experimenet, but the pointy is that I was feeling so low and helpless during teh day, and than with 3 hours of chewing on some fresh raw fruits and vegs completely restored energy levels and than some.

I am trying now to combine this JFing, detoxing system with Tanyas system of daily fasting of say 16 hours and make that dry fasting so will try to get my last daily food and drink at 2 pm, so am going to graduly move it there.

I use to eat and drink right before bed, regardless so it could be 8-10pm.

Today I am still planning on green juice - cucumber+cellery at 6pm, hoping tomorow to stop 4-5pm.

Hi Rudi,
I've also been doing intermittent fasting.. one day on food... one day off...so fasting for 24hours. (not juice feasting, though).
I've found that I perform  mentally far better on the days that I'm not eating, and get much more done in the same time.
So although I'm not an athlete, my performance has improved in other ways... it's quite an interesting journey.

had some raw purple corn the other day was quite different from normal corn. i used to fast every saturday as a kid and always had allot of energy for rugby on sundays. i find fasting on water almost impossible these days but can do an orange juice fast real easy. cant wait till they are back in season in qld.

Dani, I love your new avatar.  You look gorgeous.

Annette
xx

Rudolf, are you taking the chia seeds and or other super foods during your juicing?

not every day. but yes.

chia into orange juice first thing in the morning, and barley grass powder into water.

But I basically stoped drinking water or tea last few days, which means I stoped eating honey and lemon as well,

not that I planed to, but somehow it hapened.

It is interesting in this nearly 40 degrees celsius heat wave we have here for last few days, that the body is not asking for water.

This is very good explained in Tanyas book

okay thanks Rudolf.  I happened to pick up Tanya's book again a few days ago too.  My only concern is that if I dry fast for too long, and I could possibly be dehydrated, I could be causing more damage to my body than the benefits of the dry fasting.

I love the chia in the o/j too..the only way I like having them at the moment.

Rudolf, you are coming along in leaps and bounds well done!!

Hi Annete,

I think, that this society is proggrammed into fear of starvation and dehydration generaly, and the health consious part of us proggrammed into double fear of dehydration and the ideal of drinking galons of water, comming from sport, recreational sport, any kind of gym or whatever propaganda, and also here in RP comunity.

So teh topic really needs to be understood on deeper level to get over it.

- dry fast should be attemted only by relatively detoxed body already.

- when we sleep we dry fast anyway, so the idea is just extend it few more hours each day

- dry fast should get rid of dead water - heavy water - deuterium, and it is the only way to do it.

- subsequent drinking of life water via juicy fruits and vegs or juices, or filtered water with drops of juice like lemon etc is super hydrating on higher level and is replacing the dead water by live water.

- so teh ability of this replacement is only possible by first to get rid of heavy water which is only posible by dry fast

- skin will show improvement in the regime of dry fasting because it will rehydrate much better, so it is not not what it seems from superficial view

Having said that I could not do it before I went through lots of detox cycles previously, in the detox process, the body needs lots of water to flush the toxins out, so this issue could not be forced. But if the nutrition-detox etc works properly long term, eventualy stage will be reached when teh dry fast is possible and beneficial.

But everybody can extend teh night dry fast by few hours simply having dinner earlier and stop drinking before bed
and gradualy moving this cut off time - curfiew as Tanya says by minutes each day to early evening, late afternoon etc. Minimum target should be 5pm for everybody even western junk eater. Tanya of course is going on 2 pm,
she talks about monks etc using teh noon - 12 o clock.

I managed 4:30 pm yesterday.
And start drinking 7:30 am tyhis morning.

This gives me 15 hours, pretty close to Tanyas recomendation 16-18 daily.

When I talk about the dry fast specificaly it is more like doing for longer than 1 day occasionaly.

I went back and re-read Tanya's book last night and dry fasted 14 hours over night.  Just got back from 1 hour bike ride and quenched my thirst with chia and o/j drink.

I have never been a big water drinker so not too difficult for me....I do agree that dry fasting for a day or more should only be attempted once your body has under gone extensive detox.  I am happy with the 16 hour daily dry fast and the 2-5pm curfew cut off.  I normally don't eat after 5.30pm anyway but still drink after this time, will have to slowly reduce the drinking part. 

I like that she only uses the juice from the fruit and veg to quench the thirst, I mean F1 uses this principle too.

yes.

my body this morning was asking for green tea however, after extremely hot night and very dry and hot weather during night and morning, 40 expected today.

So it was back to drinking lots of green tea, with honey and lemon, feels so good after a while.

drinking honey warm drinks often gives me additional BM, so today already 2 BM, which is intersting on liquid obnly regime.

today I was cgewing on watermelon, peaches, cucumbers and appless

and am getting ready for 2 corns, cucumbers etc, and will have carrot-cellery-aple juice just around 2pm and see
if thats will be enough today, or if because of the weather I will have to drink after that.

I was thinking of you when I read about Tanya's views on salt.  Haven't had much experience in this area... I need to research bit more.

Funny I was thinking about salt too today.

Did not have any last few days.

My current view seems to be :

if all the liqquid is taken as a veg-fruit juice, than there is no ned for salt and body is not asking for it.

However while in transition or on toxic diet, body needs galons of water to keep flushing the amounts of toxins and diluting the muscus.

So it serve thje purpose and it basicaly keeps the 99% of population alive.

However the unwanted side affect is flushing of minerals too, so the salt is compensating for it.


This is very different to teh position of some 811 fanatics who claim that salt is no good since YOu get all minerals from fruit.

To me it is diluting by drinking water. so regardless how much fruit You eat and for how many years, if YOu keep drinking water for whatever reason, body ask for salt.

okay Rudolf, I understand.  Thanks for the clarification

day 17, everythings going well.

Achieved 60.0 kg, and the lowest weist measurement ever = 72 cm.

feeling great lots of energy, easy concentration, very light etc.

Yesterday was ready for the 4pm drinking curfiew, had carrot juice.

we went to movies to escape the heat (the americans movies hit the rock bottom, it cant get any worse on any aspect). Got home and later realized, that I need drinks and also some calories, teh accumalative effect of very dry and hot air plus dry aircinditioning air is too much for strating new regime, so decided to postpone teh extended dry fast hours for few days till the crazy heat wave is over. So had plenty of ornages and some other stuff for chewing, also some green tea.

This morning body said - lots of green tea, and so it was tea, lemon, honey, later swithced to jasmine tea.

Did some exercises and went for run, it was noon already so already hot and very dry, got hold up home by helping rearange my son room.

I had no idea how fast or how long am going to run, ebnded up as 2km warm up, 3 km fast tempo run and 1 km coold down so 6km all in.

The time for tempo run was very fast without really pushing it, each lap was faster, it is my PB on this very hilly trail circuit.

Only after run I started chewing, first tried peaches but they were not juicy so throwed them out, cucmbers, corn, carrot, apples and orange, later lots of lettuce and snow peas.

I am not even to pay attention to timinh today, just made huge pot of green tea and am going to drink all evening.

Cool change predicted for thursday, so 4 more days.

Am feeling very good after the run, what is also different is that my achiles stayd stiffe only for maybe an hour,
so the recoveries are good.

I feel better on tea-lemon-honey, than on juices, but am trying to chew on variety anyway.

while I achieved the lowest weist measurement, I am still far from lowest skinfold fat tummy numbers, so it means,

all the fat and garbage loss happened inside teh body, which is relly great, and explain my physical feeling of happiness inside.

great results Rudolf!

It is over it is not for me.

Did 20 days.

achieved weight loss of 4 kg : 64.0 - 60.0

shrink of the weist area of 3 cm : 75 - 72

decreased body fat in teh stomach are, measured by skinfold caliper in milimeters:

above teh belly button : 18 - 12
below the belly button:  15 - 10
side of teh belly button: 16 - 10
side-love handles area : 11 - 6

getting lots of detox effects feeling much better more enrgy etc, so all is good, so why I terminated it :

My body was starting to refuse all teh fruits, had to force it (chewing of fruit) but the accidity started to build up to the point of getting reflux refusing anything fruity at teh same getting extremely hungry and low on energy.
Body still liked the veggies part of it, carrot and cellery juices, cucumbers, chewing of lettuce and corn.

However the lack of calories was forcing me nearly on teh corn diet which I did not really want, and was sstarting to getting cramps to hands and feet for lack of minerals.

Body was also refusing the barley green powder, as well as refusing spirulina powder, not having the green juicer was making it more questionable.

Body started to ask for cooked vegs and for some avos and coconut oils, as well for some seeds.

Last night went to masters athletics, could not get the rhytm going at the first walking race (partialy the uissue of shoes - but that is to far from this topic), than after nearly an hour break from walking races the second walk race was a dissaster for me, got pain ih hip and down the leg, had stiff tendons and muscles like microcramps issue, and the feedback in my subconsious mind was to stop this silliness of inforcing high fruit diet.

So last night after getting home I had some dry toasts of grain-seed bread with coconut fat and solid raw vegs
and finaly garlic, was feeling much better this morning, and decided to return to predominatly veg system with minimum fruit, regardless of how big or little % of the veg is raw or cooked and never to pay attention to this issue again.

My decison is to follow basicaly Ehrets system with some input from Tanya so combining teh cycles of total gfasting for detoxing with period of cooked vegs suplemented by some raw fruit and loads of raw greens.

Decvided that juicing is not for me, it is better to have periods of proper eating with periods of proper fasting
and bnever again to join some huray mass action going around teh world be it in nutrition or exercising.

Really the best is to focus on personal development and doing everything intuitively day by day, not to get trapped into any long term programms of any groups.

Looking back it was educational 20 days, achieving a lot, but my feel is that the results were acived by teh fact of very low cals, so it was like partial - halfway to fasting suported by very intense physical training regime.

It was not based on fact that it was fruits or juicing.

Tabnyas input was also valuable with timing as for trying to stop eating drinking early afternoon and not having late night dinners, and for her input on water restriction, dry fasting etc.

I am bit dissapointed that body does not respond well to using powders as greens barley or spiruline as that could be very convenient system for traveling and saving teh tinme with preparation, shopping and also quite cheap
but I simply do not like do not respond well and so it not sustainable.

Was hopping if it was sustainable would also solve issue for many days running-walking ultra races as well for hiking in teh country, mountains, etc with no access to shops and fresh produce, bvut it is simply not a solution for me.

Since I decided to stop the juicing experiment and am not likely to return back to it, I will not continue on this thread-topic and wil likely start new topic if I find the new regime is established and is working well.

Thanks for reading and sharing.

see ya

thanks for sharing your experience Rudolf.

Interesting Rudy.

I admire the fact you stay open-minded and are willing to test all these things in the only place that counts. Your body.

I came to the conclusion that 100% raw was not for me ages ago. What suits me best is high raw, but stay totally relaxed about the whole thing. Frankly atm I'm not even achieving that lol, but my house has been like a train station for the last year with people constantly coming and going and dropping in, getting married and renovating a house has been time consuming as well.

I'm looking forward to later in the year when everything winds down around here and I can enjoy the haven I am creating.

Then I can fully concentrate on meditation and get into the type of training I want to do and of course diet.

As always Rudy it's been interesting and insightful to read of your adventures.

John

The journey sounds intense and that deprivation eventually set in. glad your a listener and in tune with what your body needs. How is everyone else going who embarked on this fast. I think its an incredible feat. The discipline it must take. I admire that.

Where are all the juicey fasters???? Is there anyone still out there??

well im gathering that you have all come to the end of your juicing feast! Would love to hear more from those of you who feasted.

Hi melchoir_magik

I haven't started mine yet! Planning to juice feast from 1st May for 21 days. I've signed up with the Rainosheks' Global Juice Feast programme and am doing lots of research. I'll keep a journal on here when I start as I think I'll need a bit of support and encouragement. I'm already terrified and excited in equal measures!!

ggxx

Hi,

I'll be commencing Juice Feasting again, I loved the results I was getting during the feast.  I wasn't following the programme to the letter, I found it very hard to drink the recommended amount of juice each day.  For me this time around I've learnt to have enough juice in the morning and day to potter along and achieve my expected work load for the day but with the evening not force feed myself, if I want juice have it, if not have a warm bath and straight to bed, I think more healing will come from that.

Also the other thing in the programme I gave a really good crack but didn't agree with me was hemp oil.  The 1 Tbls each day had me waking up with painful eyes (which I've never had a problem with before) and a hairy dry/parched swollen tongue like I've been out boozing all night.  So I will be trusting in mother natures greens juiced this time around for my EFAs intake and  hopefully this will suffice.

Still haven't found a good source for raw bee pollen yet, I lost some ordered to customs.  Even with buying bee pollen locally in Australia some of it is irradiated  :(  ,  I will keep hunting locally.

Day 7 I had fruit custard (avocado, banana, mango, baby spinach and OJ blended then drizzled with passionfruit) which is not too bad and what you could call a modified Juice Feast and then immediately resumed juicing but later on in the following week I broke it unintentionally with potato wedges whilst at the movies which made me pretty sad with myself.  And then I picked up juicing again immediately, my craving for real foods have gotten so much juicier and real now.  Some of the rewards of JFing I had, this is over a few weeks:

a face lift (Like Gosia described.)

weight loss (About a dress size and a half, my scales need batteries.)

skin was amazing (Best it has ever been since being a child.)

BMs improved massively (I really noticed dramatic healing with my colon and with those feelings of pain and inflamation.)

a window of crystal clear clarity (I must tell of this, no laughing at me, but I had a spell of where everything was really slow around me and I was observing matrix like.  I thought this is what they must be talking about with us walking around most of our life with brain fog and wonder with awe at our potential with pure unadulterated foods.  The rest of the juice feast though was mainly foggy and emotional with detox.)

weak as a kitten (Dropped off doing as much exercise, my goal this time around is to just to turn up to Bikram and just be there and sweat even if I can't manage the stronger postures, I'm doing ok.)

was emotional (Have many demons to kick ass.)

additional hair growth (I wasn't sure to mention this as it has only been a short period of time and I'm not sure where to lay credit to in the programme.  I've notice with running my fingers through my hair, I can feel all this shorty fuzzy new growth all at the same stage of growth for me to have noticed.  I'm not sure if it is the 3 Tbls of MSM a day I'm taking or the vitalzym enzymes or the magic of easy assimilation of mass nutrients from all the juicing that has caused this.  I've had problems with thinning hair due to PCOS, so I keep watching this.)

Probably heaps more I can babble on with but I'll leave it there,  I'm very grateful for Juice Feasting and RAW for so many reasons.  I too would love to hear more from other Juice Feasters here in OZ.

Much fuzzy warmth,
Nic

This next juice feast I will try and keep a personal journal to note more stuff about what is going on.  I find that hard journaling, even for my eyes only quite naked and vulnerable.  Don't know whats up with that, I like to hide most of the time.  Peek a boo was a fav game as a child  :laugh:

Hi Blue Nelly,

Many thanks for posting. I was so interested to read about your experiences and in particular your thoughts on the hemp oil as I'm really reluctant to incorporate that.

When are you next thinking of juice feasting?

ggxx

Hi GG,

My pleasure if my babble has been of any help or interest :).
 
I've been looking out for other Juice Feasters that have had similar negative results with taking hemp oil to feel secure in giving it the flick, have noted David Rainoshek himself mentioning having an upset tummy in his blog with having the oil in a fruit juice.  Without trying to reinvent their wonderful wheel, hemp oil hasn't felt right for me and a consultation I had with Tonya Zavasta on other matters, concreted my security in giving it the flick, with her highlighting along the lines it is pure oil which is unnatural for us to consume, and people have been juicing successfully long before this money spinner (hemp oil) made it's debut on the health scene.

With the emphasis of supplementing with hemp oil for EFAs in the Juice Feasting programme I did want to give it a go but was also concerned with how stable the oil is.  I emailed a number of suppliers (Nutiva being one of them) for clarification and comparisons and their response was that that hemp oil is pretty much on par with flax seed oil as far as stability goes (not good!).  May all sound a bit anal (for a lack of a better word)  but when you are working hard to earn your health in every other aspect it matters, and I don't just want to follow blindly.  These are just my thoughts and experiences though.

Looking to start another round of juicing asap, how about yourself?  Would love to hear of your journey, results and experiences and recipe ideas.  I look forward to making more savoury soup type juices this time around to spice it up.

Warmth and cheers,
Nic xx

as for the hemp-oil issue i felt the same whilst JFeasting last year... after a couple of trials i couldnt get it down  the oil...

as far the rancidity value i remember a good source saying that Hemp Oil is far more stable than Flax... (Naked Chocolate)

Thanks, I remember your help with input and providing source (Naked Chocolate), appreciated that.  I did try to give the oil a good go and did my homework by asking the relevant questions in a number of areas Nutiva being one of the suppliers I emailed, as they are one of the reccommended oils of Juice Feasting.  Hopefully our experience will help others having difficulty with the oil too.