Sorry Harley,

I have to concur. Even based on the iron to calorie ratio method (which is a bit odd in itself!) you get these results (using data from nutritiondata.com):

Watermelon:
10.8mg to every 1355 calories makes a ratio of .007

Parsley:
3.7mg to every 22 calories makes a ratio of .168

Making parsley over 21 times the level of iron per calorie. Just about every green vegetable sees similar much higher results. There are even other fruits that have a higher iron to calorie ratio. Less hybridised fruits and berries in particular tend to do much better than the stuff thats been altered to increase sugar levels. Take Mulburies (a ratio of .043, over 5 times that of watermelon), rasberries (.014, or 1.8 times watermelon) or even plain ol' strawberries (a ratio of .012, or over 1.5 times more).

Yes, these figures are all based on conventional produce. But if you look at that typically the main nutritinoal difference between "conventinoal" and real (ie organic) produce is that the conventional is pumped up with water. So if you took that difference away, these ratios would just become even more pronounced.


That said, I'd still rather eat watermelon than tablets. Ultimately though if you're really looking for a natural hit of iron, green juice still wins hands down.

Hey MG,

Osalic Acid can lower iron levels. Ironically oxalic acid is the wierd slightly bitter metalic taste you get on a lot of the dark greens like spinach and silverbeet... the exact vegetables with the most iron! In fact the metalic taste actually IS the iron bonded to the oxalic acid. Seems nature in her infinate wisdom found a way to make sure humans didn't give themselves iron poisoning (which is far more common than aneamia) easily.

Generally speaking you're looking for greens as dark as possible, while at the same time not having that "burning" oxalic taste that (instinctively) turns most people away from the specific greens with loads of them.

Also be aware that the level of iron is only one factor. How much you use of what you've got is another altogether. Low vitamin C for example stops iron being effectively used. Low vit D (not enough sunshine?) lowers absorbtion. So all the regulars apply... eat plenty of a variety of the greens that taste best to you with sunshine, laughter and fresh air.

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We love the many different ideas in raw and have noticed that different ideas often work for different people. That is why this forum is here to support all people learning and practicing any form of high raw, plant food diet. It is a condition of posting here that you are willing to do the same, whether those people are posters here, well known educators or anyone else.

This is a Raw, Plant Food Forum

We're here to help people interested in a raw, plant foods lifestyle. Can you eat anything else and still post here? Absolutely! You can eat rubber tyres if you wish. It does mean though that posts promoting conflicting lifestyles are not relevant and are removed. This keeps the posts useful for everyone by keeping them relevant. You're welcome to be interested in any topic you wish, and chances are whatever it is there's another great forum on the internet somewhere devoted to talking about it. You're welcome to do so there.

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A mosque is not the place to preach Christianity (nor a church to preach Islam), no matter how convinced you are of your beliefs. There are more effective places if that's what you're into. Do you absolutely know that your way is best, and want to prove it to others? Great! Live it and wait for people to ask you how they can get the same without you prompting them. If they do, then you can answer their questions offline. If people don't want your "tough love" just yet then it's time to either learn quiet patience or else find somewhere else to practice it. Leave converting people for elsewhere, thanks.

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In a Nutshell...

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Hi Janita,

Thank you so much for your openness and honesty. For every person who posts here, we know there are 50 more who read, are too nervous to post, but learn through your experiences that they are not alone. Even when the precise details of our lives are different, the emotional themes of all of our lives are more similar than we often realise until someone steps up and "shares first".

It takes a brave person to be the first and I honour you for sharing so much of yourself here.


In regards to uploading photo's:

If you've got them on the web somewhere you can just paste the url to them in a post and click on the button when posting.

To find the url, just bring up the picture in your web browser (it needs to be on the net, not just on your computer), click on it with the *right* mouse button and choose "Properties". Where it says "Location" you'll see a web address (URL) to the right of it. Just copy that into the post click the button when posting and you're done!

If you'd like to stick up a photo you don't have anywhere on the web, email it to us and we can post it here for you.

Cheers,


Piers