It's real simple Sweetpea.....salt water flushes are isotonic...so they by-pass being "digested" in the normal sense... (there's some other aspects but let's move on).

You drink, say 2 litres of a salt water-isotonic liquid...so it goes in your mouth...straight through your entire digestive tract and straight out your bum..."flushing" your system in the process.

That's what RoaronRaw meant by "peeing" from the other way....

K ?

John

Disparities....you haven't rediscovered gravity mate....lol

....you've identified and eloquently explained a "problem" we are all aware of one level or another...still...."Part 1" assumes a part 2.....I'd prefer to wait fer that before attempting to offer an opinion on what you've raised in Part 1 Boris.

John

With thanks to Les and Meta I'm adopting their methods, with a few of my own tweaks, and see where it leads me, because it aligns with my goals.

This is a really interesting thread and Rudy your views on sugar/fat metabolism are certainly food for much thought....(pun intended;-).

I'll leave your poker analogy alone tho Rudy 'cause there's so many holes in that It doesn't need me to point out where and why it sinks. You experiment a lot yourself mate....

Anyway I was thinking...let's not forget the shear joy of excercise regardless of individual goals and views.

I'M in my 4th week now of starting an excercise program and I feel great. The aerobic component is easy for me. When it comes to weights I have to force myself to go and do it every day...and then when I finish I'm elated physically and mentally....mentally I spose 'cause i got of my ass and did it.

Have a number of things I want to add to what I'm doing but one step at a time.

The sense of satisfaction alone is worth any training/excercise effort....and the mental/emotional/stress reduction etc etc "side effects" are all well documented.

I have noted a tendency within alternate eating (alternate to SAD) communities to concentrate on endurance and aerobic fitness at the expense of other methods of training...the bottom line being...if you don't have ultra-endurance you don't have anything.

That's just my perception and I could be wrong.....

Horses for courses....not everyone is built physically or genetically to run a marathon....and those that are will never excel at powerlifting...I'm sure you see my point here?

Many decades back Kenneth Cooper did the first real studies on the amasing benefits of aerobic excercise (and that's where the term "Aerobics" comes from) as a foundation of true health but even that is relative to each individual beyond the basics.

Some people have the genetic ability to do well in a broad range of activites....but...whatever training you do is always a bit of a shuffling game with a price to pay if you wish to highly focus on one.....not sure if I'm explaining this well at all....

Studies have shown (blah-blah no I don't have the references) interesting, and in hindsight obvious, differences on the heart muscle depending on what type of training one does. They studied two groups...Marathon runners and Olympic weightlifters. The runners never lifted weights and the weight lifters never ran.

The runners hearts had huge volume capacity compared to the weightlifters...but...the weightlifters had incredibly powerfull contractive ability. The runners heart walls were a lot thinner than the weightlifters heart walls. Basically the runners had heart muscles that looked like they did...and the weightlifters heart muscles that looked like they did.

So who was fitter?

Introduce cross training into this and it gets interesting...

How do you compare the two?

Is a 60 KG runner who does some weight training any "fitter" than a 120KG weightlifter who does some running...each within the confines of their own genetic capabilities?

John

I just noticed the Tigers face on the butterfly wings...LOVE the contrast.

That testing thing works both ways...

It's related to manifestation.

So it's a two way street (Yin Yang)....the "better" you get at manifesting the better...you better...get at controlling what you think and believe in....

It's where the rubber meets the road....how much Horse Power in yer engine babeeee.....

The more power you are given/have...the more good or bad you can do....specially in these current and upcoming times.....

This is where it all starts....this is where it all comes together...this is training time.

So far for many the bullets are blanks....the targets blurred and the repercussions minor...

Gosia...I aint followin ya...(I'm not understanding you)...I'm not saying any existing theories are right or wrong I'm just putting them forward for consumption/discussion...so why ask me about Jackman?

Theories is just theories....

Shrug,

John

This is raising some interesting things...lotsa diverse opinions (lotsa diverse peoples)....

I dunno about anyone else....but to me it's real simple...If I excercise I feel better physically, mentally,emotionally and maybe even spiritually.

I Just FEEL better if I do than if I don't.

I feel better if I excercise even if 1) It may or may not be the optimal way of doing it or (2) It may or may not be the optimal way of doing it....

It's extremely interesting to hear others views on what works for them.

But..at the end of the day...I'm gonna do what I reckon is best for me...and by keeping my mind open to everyone elses views and indeed having the benefit of being exposed to many diverse views in a place like this forum I can then decide....AFTER I have tried things myself...whether or not try anothers view of the way things should be done.

To me it starts from this:

Any excercise is better than none....

And we move on from there....

John

Thanks Rudy I see what ya mean.

Last week a few mates and I were discussing excercise/training/getting fit...and so it became a "what's the best excercise" or "what's the best bit of equipment" or "what's the best type of training" kinda conversation....

The variety of views held by different people is amasing eh....some are just obviously ridiculous....but the common thread appearing to me among a diverse group of individuals was the "best" , was what each individual "enjoyed" the most...whether that enjoyment was the actual excercises or the results.

So I came to the conclusions:

The best excercise is the one you do.

The best piece of equipment is the one you use.

The best type of training is the type you enjoy.

I know there's some flaws in that....but I reckon it's a good starting point for anyone.

John

Rofl Gosia....is that a tehnical term...flagabasted....hahahhahaa...ah I love that.

Interesting about muscle fibres Meta....been reading recently that muscle fibre biopsies on bodybuilders have shown that they seem to have a higher amount of 2A's (which have an aerobic component) to 2B's as previously thought.

This stuff always makes me chuckle in one sense 'cause there's always a study that shows the opposite eh...lol

But this one is interesting in one sense "cause they are basically saying you have these 2B fast twitchers sitting there in reserve doing nothing...and that if/ when activated they can and do transform into 2A's....because the training (10 rep range) needs the aerobic component to be activated so that's what it does...so maybe the 6 rep range you and I and Les have been discussing...

Maybe the 2B's just go....ok...this is easy....I don't need to go lactic/aerobic...I'll just stay a 2B and I've been activated by this anaerobic intensity so I'm-a growin-boss....I'm-a-growin!

That's my theory anyway Meta.

John

Well Rudy..."does it really work" as in honesty feed-back is a bit of a no-brainer isn't it?

Something works or not...relative to your goal/what you want to achieve.

So when you say "long term" I'm getting the strong impression you are implying some forms of training/excercise are better than others for an individual long term....?

Or are you saying some people just fool themsleves?

John

Meta....couldn't agree with you more.

I listen to all sorts of theories...read all sorts of stuff...take it all on board...but at the end of the day I'm doing what works for me...and what works FOR me I HAVE TO ENJOY ;-).

Hi Meta...I've been reading a lot about this recently (sorry RGG this shouldn't be in here)...there's some interesting findings lately that blow a lotta previous scientific assumptions outta the water but explain why around the ten rep mark is ideal so I'm REAL interested in Les's experience.

John

He Les...can ya go into a bit more detail?

John

It's a good day to live too....;-)

Dieing is the easy part....living well is the hard part....hokahey...some days are better days than others to die (or live).

Roflmaoooooo Les.....you having an...er...um....ah well never mind.....good day...

;-)