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« on: Tuesday 04 April, 2006 »

i haven't experienced any negatives with my milk supply, and don't expect to (Will's gaining an average of 2.5lbs or so a month- he's a very beautiful, chubby 2 month old cheesy) but was wondering if fasting and things like massage could affect the milk... anyone do crazy stuff like that while nursing? shall i be a guinea pig for the good of the other raw mamas out there? hmm...
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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 April, 2006 »

I'm not speaking from personal experience, but from what I have read extremes like fasting are not recommended during pregnancy and breast feeding since they can release toxins into the milk, and potentially reduce milk supply. Gradual cleansing going raw does however seem to be widely discussed!

I'd love to see a photo of Will - if you want it posted just send one to me via email at sheryl@raw-pleasure.com.au and I'll post it for you. He sounds like a very lucky little baby to have you!!

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 April, 2006 »

hi motherwytch

I agree sheryl...from what I have read and experienced I think fasting is not a good idea while b/f, unless your body really indicates it's needed... for example when I had mastitis I rested & fasted & it cleared up quickly. 

I have noticed that when my body is clearing out something adverse I have put into it that it comes thru in the milk & the child will develop a mild symptom such as runny nose or bottom rash or irritability.

I have spoken with some mums who had amalgams removed & their b/f children developed autistic issues....so be wary what you are detoxing!  But I think a balanced raw diet with lots of greens, fruits & fat is going to be fine, just a longer-term detox for the mum.

But only you know what you & they need and this changes!  I have always fasted if my body became ill and demands it, and continue to b/f if a child demands it lol! But in general I feel I need to eat and drink daily to keep up milk.

I get frequent massage & have done so for 4.5 years of b/f....haven't noticed any ill effects. May depend on the intensity of the kind of massage.

I did feel that fasting during EARLY pregnancy was best for me though... one pregnancy I dealt with nausea/junk food cravings by giving in to them (and miscarried), the next time I dealt with it via fasting & eating fruit no greens and felt great.  I felt the nausea was telling me to keep away from food!  Clearing out this body in prep for many months of baby making...that is just my experience though I don't know of any facts around this.  At 12 weeks my normal appetite & diet returned.

Our baby boy is 4.5 months now.  I seem to remember you have quite a few older ones too?  Is this your first raw b/f?  I'd love to hear about any differences you've noticed if so.
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« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 April, 2006 »

Merridy~
this is my first raw bf smiley he was also my 1st vegan preg. i wanted to go raw during pregnancy but thought it might shock my system to have so many changes occuring at once (i realize now that i should have gone ahead!) there was a huge increase in my mobility and raw intake this preg, however!
i've never felt it necessary to go through any fasts that lasted more than a couple days. i have no reason currently (health, spiritual or otherwise) to fast but was curious if anyone else had any ill effects with it.
i absolutely love massage but don't treat myself enough (hubby rubs my back if i beg him, which is really annoying) i think all mothers should get massages (i got one before i left the hospital- it wasn't bad but you could tell the poor woman was tired...)
my older 2 were bf only about a month or so collectively, then both were form fed. #3 was solely bf (and is still nursing, happily! he is also the only person in the house who requests raw bell peppers for his post-supper "fruit" and circles me like a shark when i have an avocado in my hand *lol*) and Will is fat & happy on my milk (which has been raw minus manna for 4 days- YES!) i have noticed that his fussiness has really declined and that i tune into him more easily w/o cooked foods blocking my natural instincts (we practice natural infant hygiene with him). i'm looking forward to seeing what his food preferences are when he's older smiley
how many children do you have now? (and congrats on your wee one!) they grow so quickly...

Sheryl~
as soon as i can get an updated pic of this little walrus i'll send it! thanks cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 April, 2006 »

I think your gradual shift to raw eating this preg was a fine move...doing everything instantly isn't always necessarily better!

I relate about the massages...this preg & post birth I have been really good at making time for massage (receiving!), it takes effort but is so worth it.

we are tandem nursing too...and natural infant hygiene...  I totally agree about the natural instincts for picking up toilet signals being blocked by eating cooked!  I'd never thought of it before.  I am so much more in tune this time than with my first. (this is my second child). 

Today in the garden I lay him down for some time and he playing with plants & leaves as he does & was really into chewing on the celery & silverbeet.  Sucked & tore apart a whole stalk/leaf of each - first food he has tasted.  As you say, I too am looking forward to seeing what different food preferences he has.  My diet  & habits are quiet different now to last time.

congratulations to you too....wow yes it goes by even quicker the second time...I am in awe of you mums with 4!  I would so love to have lots more babies...
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 20 May, 2006 »

just wanted to update...
after a couple weeks of "cheating" off and on, i decided to go on a nutritional fast. the 1st day i cheated w/cooked, the 2nd day i cheated w/a raw cracker, the 3rd day was 100% successful as i assume the duration of the fast will be. i'm planning on doing this for 7 days- possibly 9.
the update is to atest to the safety of doing a nutritional fast during bf. my diet is currently comprised of: fresh juices (oj, carrot, green), smoothies (water & juice based). gs (rotating greens as i have them available including celery & mint), blended soups (veg & fruit), nutmilk shakes (mainly so i can still consume my beloved dates....lol), sun tea & water.
keeping in mind that i have never had an issue with milk supply and that Will is almost 4 mo AND that i am tandem nursing he and his 2 yo bro- i see no reason why others in the same situation wouldn't find benefit as well. i had included puddings at first but found them too heavy.
Will has shown no signs of discomfort due to this nutri fast. there have been some changes in his bm, which i expected.
the strange thing is, as much as i am not especially enjoying my gj, he seems to enjoy the taste of my milk after i drink it! for my own tastes, i may mix it with my carrot juice from now on. i am trying to avoid beets until after the fast so don't want to use them for sweetness.
let me know what you think, any comments/suggestions are appreciated!
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 October, 2006 »

I just wanted to bump this thread with the question -  Motherwytch or anyone, what does natural infant hygiene include?   x
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 07 October, 2006 »

what does natural infant hygiene include?   x

Jen (cute puppy! yours?)~ a great site to learn more about nih is www.diaperfreebaby.com but it is basically about becoming or being in tune with yr baby's signals so that you potty him/her instead of having them go in nappies. Will is our 2nd nappy free babe. the picture i had as my avatar at first was him on his potty at 5 or 6mo. nih is not for everyone but everyone can do it  smiley
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 07 October, 2006 »

We've known quite a few people that have gone diaper free except in certain circumstances. It's seemed remarkably simple. I think the key is though that the baby must be with you way more than is considered "normal" in our society since you have to catch when the baby needs to go by looking at them!

Definitely something we'll be doing when the time comes!
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 07 October, 2006 »

Sheryl, some people find themselves tuned in enough so that they hear "pee" in their minds or feel a sudden warmth in their laps or just "feel" the urge to go themselves.
there have been times when i know that Will needs to go but refuses. we wait a minute or two and try again. there are also days where he is a complete container snob- like today; he refuses to go anywhere but the bathroom sink... unless he needs to poo, in which case, he pees in the sink and gives me the look and growls and we get positioned over the toilet and he starts doing what he needs to do.
i think he prefers the toilet for poos because we say bye-bye before we flush it down and all-gone once it's flushed. what a great way for little ones to learn cause and effect!
i don't know who digs it more, me or him... i know i get more excited than he does usually. lol

fascinating lil' bubbies, aren't they all!
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 07 October, 2006 »

WM that is so amazing. I love hearing stories like that first hand. I'm sure the drama of flushing the poos away and waving bye really adds to the energy and learning of EC too. How amazing is that! If you told the average person that there are COUNTRIES that do no use diapers they would be so confused. We are so trained that diapers are normal!!

Thank you for sharing your experiences here!
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« Reply #11 on: Monday 09 October, 2006 »

though it's definitely easier if you're with your babe all/most of the time, there are some mothers who are not and still use 'elimination communication' only during the times they are together - the other times the baby wears nappies.  this is not necessarily too confusing - it still allows the baby to retain awareness of elimination needs, and they quickly work out that only mum (or dad!) responds to toilet requests.  though some may get quite annoyed/upset about being left in a wet nappy!

i thought it was worth mentioning this as many people presume work commitments etc to be obstacles, but it can still work.  i have found with both of my children that night time is easiest - with no distractions i am more tuned in to their needs.  others find nighttime to be most challenging.
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« Reply #12 on: Monday 09 October, 2006 »

After these posts earlier this week I spent hours reading on EC. So interesting. When I first heard about it a couple of years ago it was such a strange idea. Now it seems normal. One of the articles on the link posted above was a story written about India, where literally everyone practices EC. They think diapers and prams are WEIRD! How is that!!

I was driving yesterday and Australia now has a shop called PRAM WORLD!
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« Reply #13 on: Monday 09 October, 2006 »

We have friends who don't use nappies, but they teach the baby to respond to a sound ( one that relates to a 'weeing' sound ) They teach this by having the baby with them and when recognising the 'warm' feeling on their hand ( having a cloth under them initially) they at this point teach the baby the 'sound',  thus begins training. I'm not sure what the signal is for a poo, can't remember. Tis a lil different from nih and maybe not quite as 'natural' but reaps the same results I guess.
Have not known about it long enough to try it out myself tho ( I mean on one of my babes!lol)

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 10 October, 2006 »

sometimes ec-ers use a "shh" or "sss" sound. we started out using "shh" for poos and "sss" for pees but found Will responded to the "shh" sound for both. now, we occasionally use the sound cue to get him going. he also responds to us blowing air (which he mimics. i think it is a relaxing exercise...)
Ry was 15mo when we started w/him and we found that no cue sound was needed.
often, just putting the baby in the regular position that the ec-ing couple uses prompts elimination. (found this out when Will was a few mo- held him "that" way and had him poo in my lap... funnily, i made the cue sound to remind him of what he was doing while hubby laughed at me.)
it is extremely helpful to keep a sense of humour when raising children, regardless of yr route! lol

i tend to use diapers(nappies) when we go out but i don't ignore Will's potty needs. he has gotten to the point where his sphincter(poo) control is awesome and his sphincter(pee) control is gaining strength.

one of the funniest things when pottying a babe is when they realize they can control their bodies. Will poos and it's done. Will pees and we're in for a show- he does baby kegels that stop the flow for up to 6 seconds. he can also hold it once he's started so we can get to a receptacle.

back to the point (sorry!)
in one country (japan i think?) it is customary to potty a baby/child with a whistle cue. the draw back is, as they get older, they have been conditioned to eliminate to a certain whistle and continue to feel the need whenever that whistle is heard!
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