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« Reply #15 on: Monday 24 April, 2006 »

welcome craig,awesome to have you posting here with us..would love to see pics of your beautiful vegan dogs....
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« Reply #16 on: Monday 24 April, 2006 »

check out http://perthvegans.veghost.com/

not sure they have been added yet but they will be
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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 25 April, 2006 »

Hi Craig!

Thanks for info for me to check out, gorgeous happy picture you have there with man's best friend.

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« Reply #18 on: Saturday 13 May, 2006 »

I feed my Dobie raw meat and bones.
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« Reply #19 on: Saturday 13 May, 2006 »

hiya,
for me the point of being vegan is firstly ethics...we don't have the right to kill
second.. is for the environment we don't have the right to greed & obesity
third.. and only a side benefit health

although there are many "Vegans" that do as you do and feed their dogs meat i think this violates the first rule of Veganism

only my thoughts

try www.vegepet.com or www.vegancats.com

all the best
Craig

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« Reply #20 on: Saturday 13 May, 2006 »

Oh well, I must not be Vegan then.
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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 13 May, 2006 »

that is very good of you to admit it
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« Reply #22 on: Saturday 13 May, 2006 »

Hi Craig & welcome! What a beautiful healthy vegan dog you are pictured with!

The issue of what ethically to feed dogs when you are veg*n is a very difficult one for a lot of people I am sure. If I was in the situation to have a dog with me (not right now, as I'm renting an apartment), I do think I would definitely have to feed her or him vegan food. I could not buy animal products for a pet anymore than I could buy them for myself, family or friends. I used to think that dogs need meat, but have now researched enough to know this is not true. I have read some interesting stories of vegan dogs thriving, as I'm sure yours are! I have even heard a couple of stories of dogs on a raw vegan diet living long healthy lives.

The love of my life, Daisy, a bull-mastiff x, lives with my ex who got 'custody' when we split up (I get access visits). He was and is always insistent on feeding her a processed pet food diet, this is something I never had a say in. She has terrible allergies, ear problems and continual stomach upsets, and I've always wondered if she could have had a better quality of life on a vegan diet.

Anyway, thanks so much for the information from Andrew Knight, I will definitely put that to good use as I aim to be in the situation to have a dog (or several) with me again in the future (even if it's not my #1 girl!).

Would love to hear more about your vegan dogs and what you feed them.
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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 13 May, 2006 »

as our beautiful Sheryl has so wisely posted somewhere ,there are many interpretations of vegan....doesn't make any of us any less,and we do need to be cautious of throwing stones at people in the form of,well your not vegan if you feed your animals raw meat ect,or wear leather shoes ect...lets please be mindful and respectful of where other people are at...don't you think calling oneself a vegan,is also about having love and patience for others,and not being critical or judgemental???our love and respect for animals should be fully extended to our fellow man also...

just a thought..
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« Reply #24 on: Saturday 13 May, 2006 »

I agree with RGN....

With all respect to every one....I run a Rescue for Dobermans and I've tried the whole BARF and Vegan thing and every dog I tried it on was not interested in the least compared to raw meat and bones.

I strongly believe that just like us humans it's what you don't eat is what matters...if you don't eat cooked foods period your gonna thrive to a certain extent no matter what you go to, some people thrive on raw animal stuff some thrive on raw vegan stuff as RGN says it 's all about where your at.

My dog came to me with severe allergies and a bad coat and getting him on raw meat and bones has pretty much turned him around in every way as I'm sure eating vegan would.... I don't believe that dogs should be Vegan but I'm not gonna judge anyone for not feeding their dog meat as I do, infact I applaud them for getting away from kibble!!!!

This whole Vegan ethics thing is so fickle....because your ready to judge me for buying my dog raw meat but your gonna protect the rights of other animals that kill other animals to eat!!!!!!!!

So next time your protesting about the plight of animals in zoo's or wolves and seals in Cananda just take a minute to think about what they eat and see if you want to judge them or give them the right to eat what is natural to them. huh

I mean no one any harm and I don't mean to start an argument with anyone I'm just trying to do the best for my dog as I am for myself.

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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 13 May, 2006 »

F1 and RGN - my hat off to both of you.

Yet another example of why I personally do not like labels.  I also find very militant and rigid behaviour in anything unsettling.

F1 - Dobermans?  You're like a Fruitarian Magnum PI.  cheesy  Although he only had two I think.

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« Reply #26 on: Saturday 13 May, 2006 »

 cheesy cheesy cheesy
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« Reply #27 on: Sunday 14 May, 2006 »

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My dog came to me with severe allergies and a bad coat and getting him on raw meat and bones has pretty much turned him around in every way


Hey Fruitarionone, that's great. I will pass that onto my ex, who knows he may be interested in taking our dog off her processed diet & onto BARF to help with her allergies. Vets had said there was nothing that could be done to relieve her allergies other than cortisone (which she was prescribed once and nearly died from).

Great to hear about the work you are doing rescuing dobies.
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« Reply #28 on: Sunday 14 May, 2006 »

Hello again Fruitarianone,

I am truly glad to hear that your Dobie’s are rescued animals.
We have 3 dogs and all were rescued from swan animal shelter.
I have had the meat verses veggie argument with many people.
 Anna Lise has been vegan for 5 years now and is one of the most vibrant dogs I have ever seen. And it was because of Londo (the one in the picture with me) that we started Anna Lise on her Vegan diet. Londo died about 3 years ago he was 8 (we rescued him at age of 6)he had seizures and disorientation in the last 2 weeks of his life their were a couple other symptoms too after exhaustive research the closest affliction we could find that match what we observed in Londo was (mad cow) after further research we discover that at least 50% if not more of the pet food in Australia comes from the USA  and the standards for pet food there are appalling just about anything that dies for any reason can be put into pet food or rendered for protein supplements for livestock and pets. Saying this it seems that allot of dogs and I mean like 50% die from Cancer, heart attacks, and fits of rage. We have all heard of dogs becoming aggressive in their old age. Well I do believe it is in the quality of what they are fed.. As Andrew Knight has put it in his web sites. It is not about ingredients e.g.: meat. It is about nutrition we know what it takes to give a dog 100% of all the nutrition they need and meat does not have to be part of the menu

we also rescued another dog about 3 years ago Romeo when we got him home we discovered tumours on his body he was already in advance stages of Lymph cancer (fibro sarcoma) our local vet gave him a month or so to live 2 1/2 years of vegan diet and herbal medication before the cancer took him. He went from a weak dog to very strong vibrant dog but in the end the cancer finally consumed him. I cannot say 100% that it was the vegan diet or the love we gave him that prolonged his life but in my heart I know this to be true.
And I will say it again..
The dogs that we keep in captivity are nothing like their wild counter parts. They have been breed and fed to be very different and highlighting skills to their particular breed.
And although by feeding your dog’s raw meat or a raw diet you are much better than a person that buys the food at Coles or woollies. Vegan Pet   http://www.veganpet.com.au/
They sell a vegan cat food and a vegan dog food. I have not used their product but it comes recommended by several friends. I hear that the new Cruelty free shop on Beaufort Street in Perth c

   Now as for being called Vegan, this is not a militant word quite the opposite. But it is a pure word and was brought about to replace the “ vegetarian” word that was being used quite loosely there are vegetarians that eat eggs, milk, honey, some think they are vegetarian when they eat chicken or fish.
   With vegan it can only mean what it was intended to mean that is a person who does everything they can to avoid harming animals including the so called “food “animals
So my only objection and I will not back down on this IF you call yourself Vegan then be Vegan otherwise call yourself Vegetarian or something else. It is much more than a label it is a way of life that should be respected. And once again thank you Fruitarianone for your response and keep up the good rescue work
   All the best
Craig
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« Reply #29 on: Sunday 14 May, 2006 »

It's a little sad how processed the prepared dry dog food is. And you know it's not prime cuts of meat... it's the waste products left over after everything and anything fit for human consumption is used. No wonder cancer is so common in dogs. Only this morning I was talking to someone that was putting raw egg on the dry dog food to encourage her dog to eat it! Dogs don't naturally enjoy dry food. Imagine us being put in front of a bowl of kibble for dinner!!

There's been some great discussion here, and I'd like to ask that we keep this friendly. Janita that was a beautiful post - I thank you for jumping in here.

Ann Wigmore has a book called Our Precious Pets all about how she fed her animals vegan foods. It's a great resource for anyone looking for more information. There are lots of sites too on this topic.

It's an interesting topic, because in nature dogs would be eating meat (they are omnivore's). I have met many people who would never eat meat that do feed it to their dogs. Becoming a companion / carer to an animal in this world is a sacred role really. You are their guide and protector, and they are yours too. Finding a balance of what works for you, and also for them is important.

Cassman, I forget if you've shared it in detail already, but maybe you could continue this talk by sharing with us how you have integrated the raw vegan diet for your gorgeous dog. What foods do you use, was there a transition period with new foods being rejected? And how is it going now?

Cheers,
Sheryl
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