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« on: Friday 11 May, 2007 »

hey, I know, its not exactly raw, but health related...
From an article in the news today:

QUEENSLAND health authorities have told parents to use their common sense and not use pet products to treat head lice on their children.

The warning from Chief health officer Jeannette Young came after a child became sick from a pet flea and tick product used to kill head lice.

Queensland Health would not release more information about the child but said the poisons in pet treatments had serious side-effects on humans.

"Animal products are poisons and are not safe for human use," Dr Young said.

"There are often serious side-effects, including nose and throat irritations, respiratory conditions, vomiting, dizziness and abdominal pain.

"The effects can be even more serious for young children or women who are pregnant and breastfeeding."



While I dont even use conventional products myself,  and I would certainly look for an organic alternative to the regular stuff if I had children with lice... Im quite sad to see another example of animals being disrespected. Im pretty sure if these products aren't safe for humans, they arent safe for our pets. They're living creatures too. I cant imagine that if this stuff causes such a reaction on  say, a 20kg human, what would it do to a tiny chihuahua?

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« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 May, 2007 »

Yes it's very scary isn't it. If they say that the products are safe for animals and not people, that kind of suggests that the premise on which animal testing is built, that by proving something is safe for animals it must be safe for humans too, is totally wrong so animal testing should thus be ended. (It should anyway).
Or if they are saying that these products are poisonous for people and the same rules apply for animals and people, then they must be poisonous for animals too and so they shouldn't be being sold.

Nice work on the chihuahua  cheesy I've got a Jack Russel x Fox Terrier, gorgeous kitty cat (shelter rescue) and rat who are all raw foodies.
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« Reply #2 on: Friday 18 May, 2007 »

Hi FreedomB

What sort of products do you feed your cat?
I want to get a cat but i have no idea what id feed it..
I can only guess raw organic meat?

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« Reply #3 on: Friday 18 May, 2007 »

Hey MG,
Yep, Ruhsa the cat eats fish for breakfast and then 5 chicken necks throughout the day. She is still growing (11 months old) so when that stops she might eat a little less, I'm not sure. Mostly I just let her choose - I know that I'm hungrier some days than others, and I assume she's the same!  smiley
I hate buying her fish because you can't get organic and I know the world's oceans are in a terrible state due to over fishing, however, it is very important that cats get fish because they have exceptionally high protein and fat requirements.
I absolutely love cats, if you are going to get one I strongly suggest you go to a shelter... there are some cats with horrendous life stories. I only just got Ruhsa when my very old cat had to be put down, although she is only 11 months old she was already pregnant when she was taken to the shelter as a stray... she was incredibly timid and nervous, but now she is a bundle of fun and energy!
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« Reply #4 on: Friday 25 May, 2007 »

What about heartworm treatments for dogs?  Do you leave them off it and let them take their chances?

My pets have always stayed indoors or in our own garden (as little as they can help, they prefer indoors!) so I have not had a flea problem at all.

I've moved 2 of my pets to raw this last week - too late for one, unless she makes a miraculous turnaround Sad  The 16 year old dog couldn't cope with all the chewing for raw so I've left her on manufactured - she's managed this long with no hassles.

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 25 May, 2007 »

Thanks FB,

I do really want a Sphynx cat, but ive been thinking it would be better to save a cat from a shelter - there are so many without homes.

I will also have to get used to handling meat again.at the moment the thought of having to feed it to my pet is what turns me off wanting one!

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 25 May, 2007 »

May I've never actually wormed my pets until they had worms... why treat for something that isn't there?  Never had a problem in 18 years! If you do want to try your older dog (sorry... I've forgotten the name. Or did you not tell me?) on raw my buthcer sells the raw chicken frames ground up into a mince, which removes the chewing factor.  But go with your heart! heart
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 May, 2007 »

MG it is entirely your decision but I very strongly believe that when so many cats are alone in shelters, longing for someone to love them, it is a bit unfair to them to buy a purebred or even one from a pet shop. If you really want a sphynx you can try ringing a number of shelters (there are more out there than you think) and asking if they have any. People do take purebreds to shelters as well.
In terms of handling meat, I agree it is gross. I wear gloves and just try not to think about it too much - every week after shopping i split the meat into portions to freeze so it is mostly all over at once and I don't have to deal with it too much throughout the week. The other thing I simply try to remember is how happy and healthy the food makes my beautiful animal friends.
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 25 May, 2007 »

Hi Freedom - now it's your turn, it's heartworm I was meaning, which I think is a different treatment to normal worms and heartworm will kill them?  Normal worms I don't treat for and agree with you on that one.  My older doggie is Tru or Trudi, and thank you, I hadn't thought of mince for her and will give that a try.

MG - I use plastic freezer bags as gloves to handle the pet meat as I hate the feel of it too.  It's a bit easier knowing you're not actually touching it, even though the 'feel' is still there.

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« Reply #9 on: Friday 25 May, 2007 »

I'm afraid I don't have quite the medical knowledge just yet to get in depth about heart worm! I have never treated any of my animals for that either. I may just have been lucky I suppose. Give me a couple of years and I can tell you a bit more about heart worm, lol!  laugh
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 26 May, 2007 »

Personally I think the medication of animals is in line with the human drug marketing... and has people giving their pets so many medications just in case, and loads on the guilt that ALL owners must otherwise your animal could be the source of disease for others (sounds sort of like vaccination doesn't it?). They show these horrible photos of heart worm, and ask if you want to protect your dog from this. Of course you do... and I would choose to do so with a healthy diet, exercise and love!

Dogs die from Heart Worm Shot (2004)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5908836/

Here's a site I just found on "natural cures" for pets... I recommend people with animals sign up for his newsletter and check out the site. It looks really detailed. The article on what's in pet food is fabulous.
http://www.healthyhappydogs.com/MedicineChest

Adopting from shelters... I saw Earthlings this week, and I think they quoted that up to 30% of the animals in shelters were purebred, many brought in by their owners. They also went into the reality of puppy mills with people having caged animals, and literally breding them until they are dead to sell the babies to pet stores (the animals live in little cages, with no human attention or love, like factory farms). I would never ever ever buy from a pet store. If buy first hand I would buy from a loving family that breds at home, but Piers and I have decided to adopt from a shelter (we're planning on a dog soon). Pet store animals often have psychological problems due to being separated from their mom so early too which gets them off mothers milk earlier too (because they are cuter young and sell faster in shops).

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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 26 May, 2007 »

One question... in all the material I've read about heartworm they never actually say how common it is. Is there a .05% disease rate? Or a 95% disease rate. It's transmitted through mosquito bite, so they do say that dogs left outside at night are more likely to get it. So May if you bring your dogs in that's already a plus for prevention.

Maybe if I lived somewhere where there was a HUGE change of getting infected by mosquito bite I would take something toxic IF I believed it would help. However I think I'd just rather avoid those places (sort of like covering up if outside for a long time, instead of using sunscreen).

If anyone knows true rates of heartworm it would be great to know.
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 May, 2007 »

Photos of a spynx cat (wow): http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/sphynx.html



Piers father has one (maybe two), and also another really interesting bred thats more squat with no external ear (I may be remembering the last one wrong... as I don't really know cats). The Spynx cats go for walks with them and sound really interesting.
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 May, 2007 »

The most interesting cats from that site (to me) are: Egyptian Mau (love the spots), RagaMuffin (what a princess), Singapura (reminds me of a kangaroo), Norwegian Forest Cat (what a beauty), Ocicat (again love the spots), Oriental (FREAKY), Siberian (grrrrr). That was fun!
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