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« on: Wednesday 16 January, 2008 »

So can I just ask..for those of you whose periods have stopped on raw..how did it happen? suddenly, gradually..any residual feelings?.. the reason i'm asking..my period returned when my youngest was about 14 months old (give or take a month)..I'm still breastfeeding..my period is like clockwork every 30 days. I've been raw for about 16 months so getting my period back at all actually surprised me a bit. Anyway..I am now a week late with no sign of anything other than a general feeling of tiredness, subtle waves of nausea at random times during the day alternating with subtle feelings of spaciness (like if i bend over to pick something up)..dry mouth, feeling more hungry than usual, bigger boobs (but no tenderness)...about 3 weeks ago I had some blood-tinged mucous..didn't really think anything of it as it didn't last....sounds and feels to me like I'm pregnant BUT I've done 4 pregnancy tests (from different packs) and they've all been negative. Also if I am pregnant this isn't what I'm used to during the early weeks of pregnancy (but then I haven't had a raw pregnancy before). I haven't been more stressed than usual so I'm thinking I'm either pregnant and this is a big lesson in trust for me (which it should be anyway) or being raw has finally kicked in. So that's why I'm curious to know how others cycles stopped from being raw...
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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 January, 2008 »

my periods haven't stopped, but i would be distressed to think that they would going raw, would love some insight too.
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 January, 2008 »

hey erthmum ....  it took 3 negative pregnancy tests before I took one that finally said positive ....!!

you just never know..  Smiley   keep us posted   
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 January, 2008 »

Oh how exciting, ive just seen that the baby on my pregnancy ticker has reached the end picture!
Not long to go now...   and counting.
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 January, 2008 »

Ooooh Jen, how exciting!!!  yahh
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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 January, 2008 »

You may have already read it in my magazine post..but if I was pregnant I'm not now Sad
I think my body is just clearing out some stuff.

Jen..how exciting for you that you are nearly at the end of your pregnancy journey and at the begginning of a whole new adventure!  Babe will come when he/she deems the right time. Wishing you many blessings for a smooth blissful ampowering birth. xo
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 25 January, 2008 »

I too am a little confused at the whole periods ceasing on raw. Is amenorrhoea (the ceasation of periods) a common occurance on a raw diet. That would concern me a great deal, one of my beloved systems and cycles unable to function with its natural mastery. Wouldnt that indicate that your body is stressed and is therefore saving non life essential functions for other areas. It doesnt seem right to me, but please id love more insight and also how many raw women experience this.
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 26 January, 2008 »

Ok. I really want to put my two cents in on this topic. I strongly believe that menstruation is a healthy and natural biological function. I do not believe that ceasing menstruation is a sign of a completely 'toxin free' body. I think this raw women don't menstruate thing is a bit of a myth.
The theory that says 'raw women will cease menstruating' is saying that menstruation is a sign of toxicity, that the menstrual blood is one of the body's way of releasing toxins. It posits that 'pure' women will reabsorb that blood back into their system and reuse it. I so strongly disagree with this. Mensturation is the body releasing the endometrial lining of the uterus that builds every month after ovualtion for the possible implantation of an embryo. The endometrium is EXTERNAL tissue like the epidermis(skin). Saying that if you don't have toxins you will reabsorb the endometrium is like saying you would absorb your own skin cells rather than sloughing them off. The reality is the body produces wastes every day through respiration and other metabolic processes, the body is constantly detoxifying and is so efficient at doing it , it has many mechanisms in place to excrete waste.

saying this, I do not really believe that the endometrium is a waste product. If an embryo implants, it goes on to form the placenta. I doubt that the body would be filling up the foundation of the placenta with too many toxic waste products to nourish a growing baby. It is well known that the placenta can prevent many toxins from passing over into a baby. When the baby is born the placenta detaches from the uterus and is expelled-it is not reabsorbed.
I believe that the monthly menstruation where the endometrium is expelled through rythmic uterine contraction prepares a female body for the birth process itself. It tones the uterus.

I think that healthy menstruation should be light, relatively short and pain free with bright red, clot free blood. Regular menstruation signals regular ovulation. It has been stated on this forum that ovulation  can occur without menstruation.  I have studied anatomy and physiology and amenorrhea quite a bit and have not found this to be true. Women do often get pregnant when they have not had a period but this is because they have had a long period of non-ovulation and no periods and then ovulate and become pregnant-so there is not a menstrual period, just a pregnancy. Hope that makes sense. Amenhhorea generally means that fertility has ceased. However without intimate knowledge of the signs of ovulation(mucus, temperature and cervical shape and size)-it is always possible that pregnancy can occur because a normal cycle is returning. many women get pregnant again in times of lactational amenorrhea because they are not aware they have ovulated.

Some women, may have ceased to menstruate on a raw diet. I do not know why this is. however, I would strongly question any assertions that this represents the ultimate state of health and purity. Ceasing menstruation would often be a sign of concern.
The doctrine of purity=no menstruation, toxicity=menstruation also concerns me as it harks to traditional views of menstruation being 'dirty' and a sign of women's impurity in various religions.

I feel it is possible that some very healthy women may cease to menstruate because their body has messages that it is not a good time for them to be fertile. For example, they do extremely high levels of exercise. Not saying this is unhealthy but that on a cavewoman level, the body may view that as such a high level of physical activity is required, it might not be optimal babybearing time.

I also feel another advantage of regular menstruation is that we have the ability to control our fertility. We can choose when to reproduce or when not to-the monthly cycle is rich with signs that anyone willing to take the time to learn can develop a high level of control over their fertility.

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 26 January, 2008 »

erthmum, I was just re reading your first post. I think that when you are still breastfeeding your prolactin levels can be variable. A 14 month old  baby can be highly variable in how much milk they consume and therefore, though you have begun menstruation, there is still a lot of suppression of the normal cycle coming from the prolactin. This means that you will sometimes have longer cycles or completely skip a cycle ie prolactin has been high enough to suppress ovulation for that month. I have experienced similar to yourself and convinced myself I was pregnant several times when my daughter was between 1-2 years of age-delayed period, heavy breasts etc.
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 January, 2008 »

Ok. I really want to put my two cents in on this topic. I strongly believe that menstruation is a healthy and natural biological function. I do not believe that ceasing menstruation is a sign of a completely 'toxin free' body. I think this raw women don't menstruate thing is a bit of a myth.


Thanks for that post Becky, it definately speaks for me and I'm sure many others. 

I also feel really dismayed when I read things suggesting that menstruation is a sign of toxicity or 'impurity'... I think its dangerous to get caught up in that idea.  I also find it sad that some women feel this way about their own cycle considering the massive cultural taboo that already exists around menstruation. 

I'm reading a couple of books about this at the moment actually.  One is 'The Dragon Time' and the other is 'The Wise Wound', both address the societal anxiety and fear surrounding female menstruation.  Reading these books has made me realise how much knowledge has been lost or hidden? from women about their own cycle.  And this suppression of knowledge and acknowledgement of menstruation seems to be just a part and parcel of the general suppression of female sexuality.

Anyway I won't ramble, I just wanted to say I like what you said smiley
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 26 January, 2008 »

Beckyji - regarding your "2 cents worth" specifically......

AMEN!

I agree so wholeheartedly with your thoughts on this matter.

I suffered from amenorrhea for a very long time as a young woman, and I knew with every ounce of my being that it was not usual. 

I still remember a female doctor in London telling me that I should be *thankful*.

It's almost funny when I think about it now - I was so distraught and turning to yet another doctor for assistance, and in her mind (perhaps) I was the embodiment of one of those appalling tampon ads - all that "freedom", frollicking in the ocean and horseback riding by the sea.   rolleyes  laugh

As it turned out, there were very real and serious reasons for the cessation of my cycle.

I too believe that the "raw women don't menstruate thing" is a myth.  It is a myth that I think it is so important to dispel.
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 26 January, 2008 »

My periods had also been extrememly irregular for 10 years before I started a rawfood diet i.e. sometimes I wouldn't get them for 3 months and once or twice I didn't get them for a year.  Now they are like clock work, I get them at every dark moon.  So in comparisson my experience is also totally opposite.

I don't just attribute this regularlity to raw though because they didn't regulate until I started urine therapy.  I hadn't had my periods for 3 months and about 3 days after starting UT I got them and have been regular ever since (about 2 years). So if anyone is having menstrual irregularities I reccomend giving UT a go.

I think the reason why women lose their periods on raw is either because they lose a lot of fat (common precursor to dysmenorrhea) or because they make a dramatic change in diet which stresses/confuses the body. The other consideration is that many women arrive at a rawfood diet already having physical imbalances. Its also possible that fertility shuts down during a detoxification process, it would make sense that you wouldn't want to conceive during heavy detox... thats just a guess though.
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 26 January, 2008 »


Its also possible that fertility shuts down during a detoxification process, it would make sense that you wouldn't want to conceive during heavy detox... thats just a guess though.


In a similar vein - I have long held the belief that the female body (with its awe inspiring intelligence) simply would not allow conception to take place within a body that did not possess the requisite conditions to nurture life.

I have not studied a thing on these matters, so I speak only from my instinctive nature.
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 January, 2008 »

didnt have a bleed for 4 years eating raw vegan(apart from jan 07 when i miscarried)....i had a bleed within a week of including steamed fish ,eggs and vegs in my eating regime(at dinner time),the rest of the day is fruit....

mine just stopped when i was eating all raw,now im eating around 80-90% raw....i have a bleed,dont know why,go figure...i am still eating around 10-14%(at the most) fat...so technically still fairly low fat....obviously the protein intake is higher....-around 15-20%??
i guess quite a leap from 3-5% fat and 3-5% protein....
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 January, 2008 »

I have not had a period since... early 2004? About May 04 I think. I never really got to experience 'my cycle' or anything because I only started menstruating a short time before I developed my eating disorder and things went a bit haywire.

I have now been recovering for 18 months and 12 days (but who's counting, lol!) and have gained close to 14kg (I weigh more now than I ever have in my life, at 45kg). I actually believe that my body is almost fully healed now, because I have recently started detoxing (pimples, itchy skin, BO [smells like aloe vera, oddly  shrug], LOTS of mucous, blood in my snot etc) - I think my body has finally built itself up enough that it can release old toxins.

So if I am going to start getting my period, I think now is the time! And I'm not one for believing in dreams telling the future or anything but my Mum had a dream a few nights ago that I got my period so we'll see!  laugh

I was interested in why no other species of animal on the planet sheds its endometrial lining but we do. I spoke to an anatomy lecturer at uni who said that we have special arterioles called 'spiral arterioles' in our uterus that other species don't have but he wasn't sure how/why that would cause menstruation. I still wonder about that one.

Personally, I'm glad I'm not getting my period. I'm not demeaning any other woman's feelings about menstruation but for me, it's just a hassle. Messy and annoying. I already know I'm a woman, I don't need this to come every month in order for me to feel womanly or anything. I never ever ever plan on having children. Even if I wanted children, it just ain't gonna happen naturally... if by some freak of nature I found myself in a relationship and wanted a child (I tell ya, not gonna happen!  laugh) I would go for adoption. Whatever happened, it certainly wouldn't be me carrying the baby!

Thanks for all your opinions guys - very interesting reading.  ohyeah
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