What an interesting thread...
So much to digest and ponder...
Forgiveness of another...and anothers forgiveness towards oneself...or the lack of either...or any combination of...
It all seems a little one-sided to me though, in the sense that I see little or nothing about forgiving oneself...unless I missed it.
Unconditional love....is it even possible to love another unless you love yourself?...at least as a matter of degree///...(That's debatable in some ways, but you have to take into account there are many diffferent types/forms and reasons for and to love).
Forgiveness of others is a perfectly rational and 'selfish" act. Vengeance and hatred and the many forms they display only eat away at the individual...what appears to be founded on "strength" is ultimately a weakness.
Forgiving others in my experience is wayyyyyyyy easier than forgiving yourself. Of course though...many believe they have nothing to forgive themselves for and every reason to judge another. Game over...end of "growth".
Many years back I was responsible for the death of another human being.
It wasn't a pre-meditated event, it was simply an accident...that could have "happenned" to anyone.
Still...the family of that person suffered a huge loss...and in their eyes I was the cause of that loss. Did they ever forgive me? No....
Would it have made it any "easier" for me to live with it if they had forgiven me?
Yes.
I have other tales to tell where I was deliberately (out of sheer stupidity and ignorance) the cause of pain to others...I have many tales to tell where others have caused me pain and distress and anguish way beyond what I would ever post here.
Either way...I think forgiving yourself (which is partly learning what unconditional love is all about) in the face of real (read obvious) tradgedy is way more difficult than forgiving another. If you have stared real pain and tradgedy in the face...from both sides of the fence...as a 'victim" and a "causer" forgiving another is
easy if you have a functioning brain-thingy...
So what are the steps here?
First forgive others...you simply
must UNCONDITIONALLY forgive others who have wronged you or you perceive have wronged you.
Why...'cause you're fffff....fu....dead in the water if you do not.
Until and unless you forgive anyone and everyone who has hurt you in any way you do not get access to the mother lode where the real gold is.
Partly forgive-=part access...may as well not bother.
So ok let's say you wake up tomorrow morning,,,you've had a visit from God in a dream who gave you a tune up, basically saying...look pal....forgive...ok?...so you do....
Next step is you are handed a mirror...and millimetre by millimetre you are revealed to yourself.
You are never given more than you can "handle" or "digest" and it is always up to you how much you choose to bite off....
Ever wondered why in life so many times you (and you have witnessed it in others yes?) go through the same scenario(s) again and again and again.....?
Anyway...enough fer now...Unconditional Love?


First forgive.....others....then be prepared to learn to forgive youself. I've mastered the first part of this equation....now I'm facing up to the second part (learning to love and forgive myself).
To infinity....and beyoooooooooooonddddddddddddd!
;-)
John