As I mentioned in my journal, I followed the link from F1 forum to these 2 websites :

http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/cleansingorsurgeryinfo.htm

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/

and decided it is time for it.

Over the year I had various sysmptoms matching those suggesting the stones present
and when asking for teh eyesight to be fully restored, I was hearing the answer - clean Your liver.

Only now I realize, that liver actually forms the stones as well and lots of stones in gal bladder are actualy formed in liver and just droped down.

My understanding of the cleaning procedure is this :

let liver and gal bladder completely rest for few hours or days, completely to go to sleep to inactioan as far as fat metabolism goes, so absolutely no fat or protein meals.

This is achieved via fasting or juicing or eating only fruits and nonfat vegs.

The stones are prepared to easy expulsion by few means

- firstly they are softened by eating apples or drinking fresh AJ
- the piping is relaxed and diluted by some chemicals often Epsom salt
- the stones edges are softened, teh sharpnes taken out by drinking lemon juice or grapefruit juice

the apple phase can be about 3 days, the Epsom Salt about 1 hour before and the lemon is taken actualy with the flush activator.

The actual flush is achived by significantly irritating and waking up the Liver - Gal Baldder by eating huge fat food, in the proper flush is done by drinking olive oil, various protocols have differing amounts.

Old rel;igions did this regularly by proptocols of fasting and eating fatty meal first after fast,

Ramadam is special by fasting all day and than have fatty meal at night and repeated 40 times, would be intersting to have statistics about galbladder surgeries for people practicing this regularly in Islam countries.

Anyway I was thinking that when raw vegan are for days or weeks on raw fruit and than suddenly they follow cravings for fatty food, often junk, it is perhaps the body way of asking for flush of stonnes, what these people describe how they feel the night and day after their "failure" is very similar to the clean stone flush effect, so who knows.


Anyway so today is day 1 of preparation, eating only fruit, cherries, rockmelon, mangoes and oranges
and it was SWF in the morning.

I am planning on doing this for about 3 days, SWF and fruit, that follow about 3 days with appless only and AJ
abnd that do teh flush on day 6 or 7 or about.

Have no dicided yet on olive oil amount and what brand etc.

If there are any experienced stones droppers, please can You give here YOur experience and advice on best oil to use available in australia without any ordering hassless ?

Much appreciated.

I hoping to get rid of lots of stones and collect them, so will post photos of them.

Plan is to do another one at the end of FEB and than mid MAR

If neccessary will repeat the process in MAY-JUNE.

Thank You Migina for detailed info,
I am quite curious what is going to happen.

second day, SWF and than fruit only so far, watermelon, apricots, blueberries, asian pear.

OK so sunday was day 2 of preparation, SWF was dragging all morning, but I felt empty.

The fruit eaten afternoon seems to be irritating on washed tummy, felt bloated again , discomfort etc, so decide evening to boiled some vegs in big pot of water - savoy cabbage, leak, parshnip, broccoli, and eat the vegs and drunk water from it, it was soooo goood.
Woke up midninght so hungry and wanted something juice so took 2 big mangoes from winecooler and had midninght snack still half sleepy and finished it off with 1 fuji apple.


This morning on day 3 I first hydrated, so had plenty of water with lemon and honey and did some hard exercises - surprized myself with huige PB at cable pull machine for upper back, really increased endurance at high resistance.

Did the SWF no 3 after that, and than had 2 toast of white bread really dry toasted with my own tomatoes ( taste so great) and cucmber, and later had some of the vegs soup. Tumy feels great, so i aplanning later to had fruit, perhaps orangees, appricots and mangoes again and slowly getting ready for the apples only days.

Rudy,

Do you think there is an alternative to the SWF?  Not, with regard to your liver/gall bladder cleanse, but specifically as a way to flush toxins that are set loose by a fast?

An SWF is so dependent on being close to the bathroom, for sometimes an extended period of time, which is not always practical.

What about using chia?  Or is that just very wishful thinking? 

Any other thoughts?

Thanks Love Spirit.

In my head, there is a distinct difference between the "function" of the senna pods or other herbal laxative and the salt water flush.

My instinct is that one stirs up the sediment (gets it moving), and the other is the broom.  This is my understanding only, and I could be very wrong.

I need a longer term solution, as it would be a stretch of quite a few days where a SWF is just not possible.

So, I suppose I was looking for an alternative "broom".   :laugh

Oh! my we are now on day 6 of our Liver R longer 23 days to go of no alcohol, my nose,eyes streaming clear liquid, abounding with sneezes as I'm also aiming for high raw guess the detox has started.

Rudi reading your progress with great interest...i really enjoy how you truly listen to your body,very intently..inspirational!!

so no pics as there was not a lots of stones.

basicaly I recovered only 3 smallish ones size of a chickpea or a small bean.

very soft, with green coating.

As explained in the curezone.com, most stones are not really stones no calcificates there are just clunggs of fat-cholesterol with bile coating.

So thats what I have got out, but only 3, the website said You need to get at least 200 of them and in repeated flushes to get altogether about 2000 of them.

Hm, so I am either extremely clean already, or the protocol I picked and teh way I executed it was not very efficient

There were some very small pieces and also some sharp looking small - 1 mm very dark shine completely black stuff - lots of it, something like this was again described on the curezone.com. the author saying once he got the cleaning going, he was discharging this black pieces for 8 months every day - hm ?

Conclusion - I got 3 significant pieces out appart of other small stuff, and that makes me happy and it makes it all wort it, any of them could have blocked some tiny piping somewhere and was burden to my liver.

I proved myself, that the system is working, that it is no big deal, there was no real discomfort etc.

Sop I am keen repeating this all over perhaps every 2-3 weeks, being flexible with timing to fit my sport activities etc.

The curezone also says, that the kidney cleaning-flushes need to be done first, I have so far no idea, what that is, so will have a look at it and perhaps do 1 of those first before doing second liver flush.


The magmesium in Epsom salt was really relaxing all muscles it was feeling like various minicramps were released, it was very warm and very pleasant feeling, the relax of external muscless as well as muscles inside trhe tummy, just great, as I drank the oil and jump to bed within minutes I was so relaxed, so was counting my heart rate - the pulse was very strong and quite slow - and very regular each minute exactly 49.

While I used to have under 40 decades back when doing marathons, last few years I was comming down first under 60 than down to about 53, so the number 49 was a surprize, am not sure it was result of magnesium or better fitness as i did not check it kast few months.

Morning the body was probably bit stressed fron\m doing teh flush I felt tired and bit dizzy and the HR was 57, showing something was going on inside.

I strongly recomend this LGBF to everybody in my view there is a need to have a go and check how much is there thats need to be cleaned out and teh process itself is being part of conecting with own body.

The curezone also says, since majority of stones are fat-cholesterol they would never show up on Xray etc, so usuall medical checkup would not show if there is any of those in liver and gallbladder what is visible that is already calcified.