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« on: Wednesday 13 February, 2008 »

Hi All,

I have been researching soapmaking, and so far have found that all recipes require caustic soda (lye). I am pretty sure all or most "natural" soaps use lye but are not required by law to say so on labelling. I don't want to use soap with lye in it anymore and wonder if anyone has experience in making soap using all plant materials. I have heard that soapwort can be used. I don't use much soap, just after the toilet or handling dirty nappies, that sort of thing, but other family members like to use lots!

Thanks ahead for any ideas!   heart heart
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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 February, 2008 »

Well, from a scientific point of view, there would be no need to list 'lye' as a component of the finished product, because after the lye and fats have saponified, there is no lye left.  It's a complete chemical reaction, where you add A and B, and instead of getting AB you get C.

It's possible to make 'at home' soaps without ever having to come into contact with lye, by purchasing the 'melt and pour' soap flakes.  These are grated pieces of soap that has already undergone the chemical reaction between lye and oil.  Then you can add your extra ingredients at whim and not have to be in contact with the lye at all.

Even glycerine soap uses lye, but is another choice for a base in making soaps without having to use the lye yourself.

I have heard of the soapwort soaps; as well as oil/fat heated with bi-carb soda and salt to make a soap.  Both of these needed a 'base' to grip to in setting, like oatmeal, then form into bars or balls or blocks.  Also heard that they weren't as gentle as the recipes using lye: the salt one being especially drying to skin; and the soapwort recipe was difficult to dilute and wash off the soapy feeling.  Unfortunately I haven't had first hand experience with them though, as my soap making friend still uses the oil and lye recipes.
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« Reply #2 on: Monday 18 February, 2008 »

Thanks Waterberry, great explanation.  Saves me doing it Wink  How are you darling girl?

Jungle, as Waterberry said, there is no caustic soda/lye present in finished soap, and you cannot make soap without lye.  Melt and pour is good to start off with, and lots of people stay with that method.  I'm pretty fussy myself, and prefer to create my soaps from scratch, so I have a choice on the quality of ingredients I use.  It depends on how natural you want your soaps to be - do you want a  vegan soap? are you comfortable with fragrant oils?  or artificial colours? or not so environmentally friendly ingredients?  Choosing a bar of soap is a complicated process  laugh

I've been experimenting with soapmaking over the last 12 months, and have had only one not-so-good batch, it looked good and felt good, but turned slimy when used.   Oops.    I have a friend in Hobart that makes and sells soap (she gave me my first lesson), I can send you her details if you like.   
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« Reply #3 on: Monday 18 February, 2008 »

Thanks heaps for your replies! I think I will probably just have to knock a notch off my purist stance and make soap with lye! I don't really mind coming into contact with lye, in the soapmaking process, I just would rather not.

I ordered a book on natural soapmaking that should be at my local library within a few days. I am mainly making soap because I find it extremely hard to find good soap (vegan and natural) that is palm-oil free. The destruction caused by the palm oil industry is very destructive to many animals (primates like oran-utans are the flagship species for the awareness campaigns about the issue), the land and people's ancient cultures/relics.

Sanghama, I would love your friends' details as I likely won't get the soap made before needing to buy more. Thank you.

I'm looking foward to having homemade soap...will fill in on my progress!
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« Reply #4 on: Monday 18 February, 2008 »

Yes, someone else who wants palm oil free soaps.     yahh    Palm oil is highly regarded in the soapmaking industry because it makes hard soaps.  At what cost to the environment though???   When I tell some people that I won't use palm oil, and the reasons for it, they agree with me - sometimes I think they agree because it would be rude not to, hmmm.

Jungle, I'm not sure where her phone number is, but I at least have her email address.  I'll pm you the details. 

Oh, and the best book I've found for soapmaking is "Soap Naturally", perfect size, heaps of information.
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 March, 2008 »

I don't know much about home-made soap.

However, the best and most gentle soap I have ever used is Billie Goat (Plain) Soap. It contains: goats milk, olive oil, sweet almond oil, castor oil, grapeseed oil and palm oil. No colours or fragrances added. This soap is particularly popular with people who have sensitive skin, eczema or psoriasis.

They apparently use sustainable palm oil: "Global warming and the destruction of rainforests is something the Billie Goat team cares about, and we're proud to be able to provide you with the power to choose and contribute to this important issue".

http://www.billiegoatsoap.com.au/the-billie-goat-story.php

Maybe not suitable for 100% commited vegans, given they use milk from their herd of goats.

Otherwise, a very natural soap which is very gentle on my sensitive / psoriasis prone skin.


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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 18 March, 2008 »

Hi,

I have recently joined this forum and I make my own range of natural handmade soaps.

We are about to launch our new range of soaps which are completely palm oil free.
Our soaps are called ROAR ~ soap with a voice, making a difference!

In addition to being palm oil free an amount of 50c of each bar of soap sold will go to assist organizations which are helping to save the Orangutans, to educate the public on the ramifications of palm oil use and to lobby governments to change the legislation in labelling requirements.

If you would like to be notified when our new soaps are released you can currently pre-register at RoarSoap.com, registration will also provide you with additional free information and links regarding the palm oil issue.

Our goal is to make a difference. We make all our soaps by hand and in small batches to ensure quality and not quantity. We only use high quality vegetable oils and butters, pure essential oils for scents and clays, botanicals and herbs for colour ~ truly natural.

Just thought i would post this information for anyone who is interested. I am also hoping to run some soap making workshops in the future to introduce people into the benefits and ease of making their own natural soap, not too mention how much fun it is!!!
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