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« Reply #15 on: Saturday 01 March, 2008 »

OK so its 1st of March.

I did attempted the LGBF, but it did not happen the way I expected, no visible cleanout effect on the physical side, however I had complete change on emotional level.

But the attempt means that I did not have any solids, only liquids since 28 feb, so today is actually day 3 of JFing

Lots of green tea with honey and lemon, chewing on apples and occasionaly on some other stuff like carrot, lettuce, plums, peaches, today on raspberries on the farm etc, allway just sucking in the juices and spitting the fibres.

I feel much more energy comming from the food this way as compared from the juice from juicing machine,

as I get all teh smells taste etc as well.

drink little bit of green juice - cellerey + cucmber and some days also carrot+appless.

Had nice watermellon today as well, and bought pineaplle beetroots pears, peaches, so I am set for few days.

If I feel hunger or tummy cramps I simply drink very hot green tea with honey and all is great.

Tomorrow is state masters championship in athletics - the weight pentathlon, will be fun competing against real strong heavy men with my 60 kg weight  laugh
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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 01 March, 2008 »

i'm always amazed in the way your 'original' in what you are doing/trying...

go Rudolph, go... hehe

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« Reply #17 on: Monday 03 March, 2008 »

sunday was day 4.

I went to VIC masters T&F championship, it was teh Weight Penthathlon, this was on separate day as it is too complicated, the mani championship is teh comming weekend

It was very hot and very direct strong sun, absolutely clear skies. I was on the direct sun between 10am-4pm,
than driving home in overheated car.

Lots of green tea morning, managed to make little of pineaple-apple juice to take with me, took also more green tea, jar with honey water and bottle with soaked chiaseeds and bottle with spirulina in water.

I was drinking a lot during the day, was feeling hungry only little bit, but it was the weather frocing the drinking, so the liquid sytem was just the right stuff anyway.

I did not get into discussion about nutrition etc at all, so nobody there had any clue what I was doing, they just could see I was drinking a lot.

It was great fun, I have to admitt I was scared, some of the stuff I have never done in my life.

I was scared that I might injure myself, either smashing teh equipement into some of my precious nbody parts or pull some tendons muscles in complicated movements with heavy weights.

All good.

They were laughing a lot at me, all of them many years throwers, former eleite athletes still displaying exellent technique etc.
They were all very helpfull and I learned a lot.

The hammer is 6kg (at my age group) iron ball attached to about 1 metre long thin wire and there is handle at the other hand. Supposedly we should turn this stuff very quickly about 3 times around teh body - over the head, and than do about 3 fast and speeding turn with it and release it in the right moments. I did swing it around me few times with smashing my knees, head or my nuts with it, but did not attempt the turning stuff and just let it dropp few meters away.
Discuss was also great show, I did do funny turns with it but releasing it in wrong moments and maged to throw it above the high cage, which was commented - nobody has ever done that before...
Javelin was relatively good I learned quickly and achieved my relative best performance
shot put was OK but I should have acieved longer distance.
Last was heavy weight (this is not from the athletics olympics program, so Youi never seen this before. My weight was more than 11kgs (25lbs), very short chain and teh same handle as hammer, and tha same hammer techniqu was used. I produced exxellent entertaing according to others and managed to dropp it every time inside the cage enclosure - so very short distance, was trying the turns with it - I was the only one not laughing.

I am sore all over the body, but since there were only 2 people in my age category I have a silver medal  :rofl:

Comming home I chewed on 6 peaches, really needed taht sweetness, chew few apples and some cucmbers

and went to movies with family -

 Run Fat Boy

 I reckon the movie is good and has some learning values in it, also some laughing etc, and could be motivational for would be runners, also good value for relationship issues.
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« Reply #18 on: Friday 07 March, 2008 »

it is day 9, morning.

on day 5 there was no BM so I drink laxative sena tea early afternoon, and few hours later what come out was like mucu-mudd foamy... so I decided to do SWF next morning and that cleaned out the rest of it.

appart from that I do not feel the need at this stage for SWF, every day at least BM sometimes 2-3.

Still drinking mainly warm water or grean tea with honey and lemon, and only very little juicing.
Doing lots of chewing instead. I take carrots and appless with idea to make a juice but somehow to decide to chew and spit instead. I am not sure if it is lazyness to clean the juicer etc, or if body is asking for that extra energy which comes from chewing ?

My regime is actually half way to MC (maple replaced by honey), so it is not exactly juicing feast.

From very frist days my detox symptoms were : sore throat, congested sinuses, painfull ears, and some slight congestion of bronchi and lungs.
All of that was my typical childhood - teenage stage, so hopefuly the old rubbish is comming out.

I was quite weak, did not do any exercising appart from sunday weight penthathlon and tuesday evening track walks at masters athletics, feeling weak, and lethargic at boths. I also feel quite stiff, lower flexibility, stiff joints and tendons, and some joints - tendons actually quite painfull - elbows, shoulders, hips, knees, ankles, achiless.
I relate these to my old states of bordering on rheumatism-arthritis, rheuumatic fewer etc and related antibiotics.

Finaly on day 8 I started to feel bit better. Decided I need to get moving, and needed to change the traing system for this period,
So put down list of exercises whuich I need to do to cover whole body and target the most important muscle chains systems, and decided to do just easy set of low reps with easy weights, just to get through the movement and speed up teh circulation, elimination etc.

That worked well on day 8, now on morning of day 9 I feel it and am bit stiff and tired so am not sure what I am going to do today.
On day 10 and 11 I have state masters track championship, with 3000m racewalk on day 10, and 1500m racewalk on day 11, and javelin and weight throw on day 11 afternoon. I also volunteered to be officials helper during both days, when I am not competing, unfortunately weather forcast is promissing 35 degrees and full sun exposure.
To make it more complicated we are nopt alleowed to brihg cars there as the car park is used for something else, so either to use public transport or to get a lift with those who get the parking permission but it means I cant take lots of stuff with me and would not have a chance to keep it in the car and just pop in to take new drinks etc.

I realize that I feel weaker and would not be able to perform my best, was hoping for PB's in all events, but decided long term to stick with detox is more important.
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« Reply #19 on: Sunday 09 March, 2008 »

At the end I did not go to masters championships. Although it was coolish mornings so possibly good condition before noon, and possibly could have done a nice performances and PB's.

Went for run saturday and sunday morning, and each morning did run 1 lap of !km nature reserve (hills, grass, loose rocks etc) very fast.

I have made to decision not to do any running and only do walking before th Centurion walking challenge, however my intuition is doing something else.

Amazingly I run much faster than I expected and kept the HR=140.

I onle felt slight tension and slight pain in achilles and ankles and heels, but it recovered quickly and next morning I run few secs faster.

It looks like current detox programm is working well, cleaning the lower legs and teh liver after 2 LGBF is also working much better.

It nearly looks like I can resume full running training after more than 20 years ?

Appart from that I have strange epizodes of metabolism nearly stopping, my body temperature drops down for few hours today I had to dress up into winter skiing stuff including the hat and the warm gloves, 2 winter jackets and under the duna for few hours and was cold all the time anyway.
That the heat wave came, stripped down naked and am sweating, so for these reason I am gald I did not go to city for athletics.

Still chewing, appless carrot parshnip, lettuce, peaches, plums, drinking lots of green tea and having lots of honey and lemon, also chewing on oranges and occasionaly on red grapefruits.

2 days ago I was chewing on grapes and had bad body reaction, went acidic, and only chewing on cellery got me partialy back.

Earlier in the process, my body rejected tomatoes completely went acidic, and even these are home grown tomatoes, so 100% organic and fresh, my body says NO, also stopped craving red capsicum, so it looks like the end for the shade group produce.

Still love and chew on lots of cucumbers.
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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 09 March, 2008 »

Mmmmm cucumbers are lovely. I adore them.

You know Rudy that Don Tolman says that when you react to a food that, unless the reaction is anaphylactic shock, the reaction is the body OVER REACTING to nutrients in that food to which it is deficient. I trust that you know what you are doing but I do notice in a lot of people who fast that they can no longer tolerate foods and I wonder if the fasting is creating deficiencies.

If you feel like experimenting I can send you his program (it's not copyrighted) to get you having these foods again. It's up to you either way.

I loved your pentathlon post. Your sense of humour towards yourself is inspiring. Congrats on the medal!

xoxoxox
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« Reply #21 on: Sunday 09 March, 2008 »

Hi Jennie, thanks for teh advice.

Somehow I do not feel it applays this time.

I was eating a lot of capsicum and tomatoes for the whole year, was binging on them and craving them, and last few weeks even more, since our tomatoes in the garden started ripeng in volumes.

The bodys decision to reject it means in my view as I am detoxing, lots of toxins are highly acidic, and teh body does not need of of it , at least at this stage.

Also since I was eating tomatoeas and capsicum all year in huge volumes I do not believe I could be deficient in their nutrients at all.

recation to grapes, similar to water melon is different it is reaction to high sugar concentration, I allways have this reaction, cant eat lots of these 2 suggary foods, basicaly I am eating them ioccasionaly for teh reason of black-red grapes conatining some special nutrients, but this is comming from logic not from body intuition, and the watermellon is so refreshing and juicy so it is obvious choice in summer, buyt I am usually very dissapointed with the tase of it, when I actually eat it. I simply cant find watermellons tasting the same as back in europe.

I am actually quite happy to drop the shades from my food list.
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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 12 March, 2008 »

day 14.

last few days I managed to get some reading time, I picked Tanya's book again, reading chapters on water hydration and dry fasting. I am glad I have, teh dry fasting issue is writent very well in there or at least it had all I was after and needed to read. So decided to give a go.
Monday had plan to stop eating at 2pm and do dry fast (abosolutely no water etc) for 36 hours, but with the idea of being flexible and sensitive about it. 2pm had carrot apple parshnip juice. That just made me very hungry, and so was chewing on fruits and some vegs till 6pm.

I found the chewing on fresh corn very satisfying and very energizing.

so dry fast started 6pm monday, but no water or tea since 2 pm so was getting the feeling of slight dehydration later evening.
Amazingly I was still producing lots of pee, even had to get up 4am to pee, and than another pee when I finaly get off the bed after 6am next morning.

During the day I was getting tired, dizzy, sleepy, had about 2H nap midday, and the only thing I was able to do when getting up after 2 pm was drop in fron of TV. 3pm as I got off teh couch, I get so dizzy, was just so close to fainting, that I went down on my knees and hands to get close to floor in case...
after 5 minutes I slowly got up, and manage to walk to kitchen decided to end dry fast after 21 hour.

chew on 3 oranges and 1 grapefruit, than 3 appless, lots of lyches, cucumber, some lettuce, bit of carot, and the most energy again came from chewing corn. at 6 pm I was feeling quite good, so we went the whole family to masters athletics evening, I as not really sure what will happen after fast and dehydration (onmly had about 400ml of green tea between 3-6pm), We were laqte, no time for warm up, stretches etc, and straight the first walking race - it felt very easy and good, appart from short of breath from lack of warmup. Very good time result, that it was some silly team-rellay where every person runs 400m and walks 400m with break in between when the other person competes, my turmn was 400m walk first, and I went super fast, catching and overtaking better walkers, was exited by the time, but UI was aware I was breaking teh contact rule - I am not used to walk at this speed at all, so it ended up as a partial run.
Last race for me was 3km walk and I was very satisfied with the time and teh pace during the race.

So I would say these dray fasting periods with some juices after can produce much better performnace, hope it is a sign of improved health - better detox etc.

Of course I am not making conclusion from just 1 short experimenet, but the pointy is that I was feeling so low and helpless during teh day, and than with 3 hours of chewing on some fresh raw fruits and vegs completely restored energy levels and than some.

I am trying now to combine this JFing, detoxing system with Tanyas system of daily fasting of say 16 hours and make that dry fasting so will try to get my last daily food and drink at 2 pm, so am going to graduly move it there.

I use to eat and drink right before bed, regardless so it could be 8-10pm.

Today I am still planning on green juice - cucumber+cellery at 6pm, hoping tomorow to stop 4-5pm.
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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 12 March, 2008 »

Hi Rudi,
I've also been doing intermittent fasting.. one day on food... one day off...so fasting for 24hours. (not juice feasting, though).
I've found that I perform  mentally far better on the days that I'm not eating, and get much more done in the same time.
So although I'm not an athlete, my performance has improved in other ways... it's quite an interesting journey.

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« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 12 March, 2008 »

had some raw purple corn the other day was quite different from normal corn. i used to fast every saturday as a kid and always had allot of energy for rugby on sundays. i find fasting on water almost impossible these days but can do an orange juice fast real easy. cant wait till they are back in season in qld.
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 12 March, 2008 »

Dani, I love your new avatar.  You look gorgeous.

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 13 March, 2008 »

Rudolf, are you taking the chia seeds and or other super foods during your juicing?
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« Reply #27 on: Thursday 13 March, 2008 »

not every day. but yes.

chia into orange juice first thing in the morning, and barley grass powder into water.

But I basically stoped drinking water or tea last few days, which means I stoped eating honey and lemon as well,

not that I planed to, but somehow it hapened.

It is interesting in this nearly 40 degrees celsius heat wave we have here for last few days, that the body is not asking for water.

This is very good explained in Tanyas book
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« Reply #28 on: Thursday 13 March, 2008 »

okay thanks Rudolf.  I happened to pick up Tanya's book again a few days ago too.  My only concern is that if I dry fast for too long, and I could possibly be dehydrated, I could be causing more damage to my body than the benefits of the dry fasting.

I love the chia in the o/j too..the only way I like having them at the moment.

Rudolf, you are coming along in leaps and bounds well done!!
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« Reply #29 on: Friday 14 March, 2008 »

Hi Annete,

I think, that this society is proggrammed into fear of starvation and dehydration generaly, and the health consious part of us proggrammed into double fear of dehydration and the ideal of drinking galons of water, comming from sport, recreational sport, any kind of gym or whatever propaganda, and also here in RP comunity.

So teh topic really needs to be understood on deeper level to get over it.

- dry fast should be attemted only by relatively detoxed body already.

- when we sleep we dry fast anyway, so the idea is just extend it few more hours each day

- dry fast should get rid of dead water - heavy water - deuterium, and it is the only way to do it.

- subsequent drinking of life water via juicy fruits and vegs or juices, or filtered water with drops of juice like lemon etc is super hydrating on higher level and is replacing the dead water by live water.

- so teh ability of this replacement is only possible by first to get rid of heavy water which is only posible by dry fast

- skin will show improvement in the regime of dry fasting because it will rehydrate much better, so it is not not what it seems from superficial view

Having said that I could not do it before I went through lots of detox cycles previously, in the detox process, the body needs lots of water to flush the toxins out, so this issue could not be forced. But if the nutrition-detox etc works properly long term, eventualy stage will be reached when teh dry fast is possible and beneficial.

But everybody can extend teh night dry fast by few hours simply having dinner earlier and stop drinking before bed
and gradualy moving this cut off time - curfiew as Tanya says by minutes each day to early evening, late afternoon etc. Minimum target should be 5pm for everybody even western junk eater. Tanya of course is going on 2 pm,
she talks about monks etc using teh noon - 12 o clock.

I managed 4:30 pm yesterday.
And start drinking 7:30 am tyhis morning.

This gives me 15 hours, pretty close to Tanyas recomendation 16-18 daily.

When I talk about the dry fast specificaly it is more like doing for longer than 1 day occasionaly.
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