Harley I was thinking about what you said about meaningless stuff. Well I have question for you.

 I course we all value different things at different levels differently. Nothing right or wrong but do you value adventure or fun more?

Just curious.

IVE never been refused service..i didnt say others wouldnt. im sure if i went in barefoot and shirtless and asking to purchase a carrot that resembled johnny depp they may decline...

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kk, pity you missed the end cos you were sick. see how our health is so important? otherwise me miss out on life. it just passes us by.

steveb, the best fruit is the one you like the most. organic bananas are great, but if you only eat 2 or they aint really spotty ripe, your gonna be hungry very quickly. ie you dont get in enough carb calories your gonna be hunt'n for something to vill the void real quick. keep read'n 811. its all in there.

i say tomatoes are bad to those that are allergic to em. freelea gets mouth ulcers every time. its well noted that they can cause acid issues in those with extra sensitive digestion, especially when mis'combined with dried fruit etc.
i eat tomatoes personally.

30 mins between each mono meal? no way..as the first meal is still in the stomach. when i eat 20 bananas that keeps be going to the next meal. then i eat to go to the next meal. i eat breakfast, lunch, dinner. i aim for 600g of carbs minimum a day. thats not much. its the minimum id need to still be able to ride my bike anywhere i need to go, day in, day out. society is so dependent on fossil fuels to get em around town..people driving 3km to pick up something small? i know one mum whom choose never to own a car yet still have a child. that was 20 years ago and she still rides today. she knows how much carbs to eat. i saw her 2 weeks ago and she told me her son has just got his license and doesnt ride anymore..lol! what can you do.
getting back to the point..you just gotta put enough carbs in the tank from sweet fruit or your gonna look for other sources. ALL of which dont fuel our cells as effectively or cleanly. sure you can win an olympic gold medal on corn flakes, but the winning margain is just more on better quality fuel...

we must remember that EVERY cell in the human body is fueled by glucose and or fructose...now that explains why people jump back to cooked carbs and refined sugars when they go back to cooked..EVERYTIME. rice, corn chips, cadbury, pasta, bread, hommus, falafel, biscuits etc. heck before doug started coaching me i was jumping back to chinese vegan cafes again and again restock'n the carbs i underate from my fruit phobic version of the raw diet...and still to this day no one has beat'n my record of 5 tofu burgers at adelaides most popular vegan cafe..

i can eat big..i need to in order to get the carbs to do what i want physically. still its only a few times a year i do something real stand out athletically. so im only average 50- 60km a day light spinning on the bike..thats not much at all. the 200km a day for weeks on end, thats a few times a year on some outback tour somewhere. so that means most of the year i eat the amount a kenyan marathon runner ingests (10g carb per kg) and a few times a year im eating like a tour de france rider (20g carb per kg). more or less depending on how much fuel i need to keep functioning. i dont eat for weight loss..lol! my lifestyle automatically took care of that years ago. i eat for optimum performance cos its been proven again and again that excessive fat consumption impedes your carb and oxygen absorption and delivery....

rg; how many trees have i planted? well i dont know anyone in adelaide that has spread more fruit seeds into random garden beds than myself..imagine if everyone did that what a paradise it would be..we know that most fruit seeds and skins ends up in land fill creating co2 emmissions..

and on 811 and people that dont succeed...yes its cos they didnt do it right! lol! how else would it not work? its like riding a bike with 'no hands'  instead of hands safely on the handle bars...sure your 'riding a bike' but you know its not how its meant to be done and is dangerous. i know many people that have read 811 and said they had ago..but they just skimmed it. you ask them how many calories in a gram of fat? they dont know. you ask them what is the best meal for absorption and digestive ease? they dont know. you ask them reasons why excess fat is so dangerous? they dont know. you ask them how many carbs they aim for in a day and what that looks like in the fruit in season that is available to them? THEY SIMPLY DONT KNOW...

what happend is they tried their own version of 811 and it didnt work and they blamed the program. like me riding my bike on the other side of the road and getting hit by a car and saying' cycling is just too dangerous...'but i just wasnt riding responsibly and got hurt from my own lack of attention and decide to blame others for it.

low fat aint extreme..low calories is...eating a diet starved of calories and or carbs is putting us on the road to crashville.

those that didnt succeed on 811 didnt do it properly. its that simple. and i do agree its not for everyone, cos many cant give up cooked addictions due to individuals caving into peer pressure via family, friends social pressures etc. its just like going vegan, many people think their partner or kids or workmates will freak, so they just dont. but many know that we must walk to the beat of our own drum and become healthy, happy, fit role models for everyone  one around us. we have enough sickness in society, enough sedentary folk, 65+% of australia is overweight or obsese. and the rest of them are struggling on some fad diet or going from the next coffee or energy drink to avoid eating for fear of slamm'n on da pounds..

what we need is real food plans that work and support nature. that are accessible to everyone whatever their budget etc. australia needs more organic fruit trees. we dont need mono crop or animal torture. vote with your dollar.

and on chase..man that dude is a laugh. when i was in los angeles i pleaded with him to come foraging in beverly hills for citrus...he never replied. same with doug..doug invited him to meet up many times to sit down and explain the confusion chase had. chase NEVER met doug..

who is chase? is he a fictional character made up by someone on the net? is it tom billings younger brother? lol!
i have an alias on the net called GI LOW. he is an advocate of the oat, oil and beer diet. the thing with the net is anyone can jump on and write anything. they never post a real photo, come to a potluck or raw talk and sit down and work out where they went wrong and try to emulate those that are succeeding. the first to complain are those that never really do anything. identities like chase just aint real life characters and taking what they type as serious can be seriously bad for your health...

sacha on adventure and fun?
 in a modern life where everything is made easy for us, it is uncommon to willingly face dificult situations..but only when we are challenging our beleifs and current abilities are we really growing therefore 'having fun!'..

so for me fun is the product of adventure.

volantry simplicity? ive never heard of those 2 words put together..sounds interesting.

Thanks for that thought provoking response.... Nice words

Yes I know how important health is, I learnt that late in life but not too late thank goodness.

I was actually sick from eating a raw salad.

It had obviously not been handled, stored or washed properly.

It is the second time in my life that I have had “food positioning” from eating a raw salad.

I hope YOU washed your hands before you handled and chopped up that watermelon that was served during the interval.

exellent post Kebbster~!

<<From what ive read of other long term raw foodies, the transition to high fruit, low fat, simple eating seems to happen naturally, it seems like its a natural progression over a number of years. So maybe we shouldnt get too caught up on 811, or if were even 100%, just eat as much raw as you like, whenever you like, enjoy your food, and enjoy the journey.>>

This is an excellent point. I certainly observed that too in myself and others. In my personal experience, the transition to higher in fruit just happens without any particular effort, because it feels good. My husband also is progressing in this direction as well. And, I find that obsessing on only leads to problems and failing, and see no reason for it either, since the alternative is effortless fun.

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