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« on: Thursday 01 May, 2008 »

A great place to ask Harley any questions on raw. But don't ask if you don't want to hear his answers!

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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 May, 2008 »

thanks jen, a great idea!
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 May, 2008 »

Glad you think so!  yahh I hope so too Harl's.

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 May, 2008 »

feel free to ask me anything. however simple, personal, small etc it may be. IM HERE TO HELP!  yahh

i will ask the first question..
how many kg of casaba melon did freelea gobble today?
12kg!
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« Reply #4 on: Friday 02 May, 2008 »

oh and for the newbie crew whom dont know about me, you can read my thread 'binging on sugar' in the raw testimonials section....just by flick'n thru that will answer many of your questions. im not here to hide secrets on how to succeed on raw living foods. my goal is to help you help yourself.
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 02 May, 2008 »

how many kg of casaba melon did freelea gobble today?
12kg!
Dear Dr. durianrider,
                             did the 12 kg exclude the inedible yellow C a s a b a melon skin,so that freelea ate a nett 12 kg of fruit from a gross 24 kg of C a s a b a ?
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Ahhh the guru-in-training has his own site.

I meant what I said on the other section, I think you could be a good raw teacher in the wider community, not just on this board.

So I will ask two questions that I have always wondered……the second one is a little bit personal, so I won’t be offended if you choose not to answer it.

1) I notice from your posts that you forage a lot.

Is that just in the open countryside, or does it involve scrumping/stealing from people’s gardens.

Do you forage much traditional Aboriginal bush foods or is it mainly grapes, apples etc…

2) Do you actually have a job? I get the impression that you don’t work. In that case, how can you afford to eat as much food as you do everyday? I mean 2 kgs of grapes every morning for breakfast or 12kg of melon in one sitting is going to add up and be expensive on an on-going basis. I know you ask for discounts in Macros, forage and go to the wholesale markets but still, given the amount of food you consume, I am confused. If you don’t mind, could you give a rough idea of how much money you spend on food in one week and where you source this food from. 

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 03 May, 2008 »

12kg including skin. all the weights of food i eat i include skin. as it makes it easier for people to get a reference on what that amount looks like ie: pick up a 10kg box of grapes...or 13kg box of barney's.

i receive around 13k a year. from fruit pick'n, personal training, unemployment, bike racing prizes, vintage clothing & footwear, farm hand, painting, bike sales....whatever. for me affluence aint the digits in my bank account. its the quality of my daily experience with myself and others. our mental and physical state are largely determinded by what sits in our intestines...ie chicken killed and filled with despair or organic tree ripend pear..so i invest a lot of time to sourcing the best quality tucker. i ride or jog around the hood and see a lot of fruit. people are more than happy to give it to you. i always offer cash but most crew feel guilty for selling fruit you simply cant get in shops..ie they say' oh but the grapes have seeds! you just take it mate!' ok..thanks! native foods also have played more of a role in my diet. im learning more and more. i know i could survive months in south australia on what i know.

there is so many fruit trees around that people just dont eat from. cos the general thinking is that 'fruit will make you fat, fruit has a lot of sugar and it gives you digestive issues if you eat more than 2 pieces..' cos thats what they advertise in south oz..2 peices of fruit a day + 5 veg. so that leaves a lot of fruit dangling on the tree for you and me whom undertstand that fruit is the optimum fuel for human performance.

granted we could live in a garden of eden instead of having to shop at shops..food should be free and abundant. but as yet we dont, so i always chuck as many fruit seeds back into the ground and im sure to put all compost back in the soil to keep it healthy for future generations...

so average 13k AUS a year...and i eat around 3500cals a day. sometimes double that. the deals are there. someone could give me 50$ and i could come back with 500gm of fruit. OR i could come back with 20kg or more and their 50$. or i could spend the 50$ and get 50kg of certified organic produce if i was persistant....thats in adelaide. in sydney WOW! its the crazy cheap place to be certified organic raw vegan...as you have the largest organic wholesalers in australia! and they bin produce that is perfect ripeness but too ripe to stock on shelves...and you have a train system that runs to the market!

in adelaide you have to have to pay 27$ to enter the wholesale market..lol! but if you dont buy anything, they give the 27$ back..

i choose the spartan lifestyle as it allows me more time in nature....
no car, mobile, debts, credit cards, etc. ALL my material possessions i could lift on my back...
use solar power to charge mp3 player, bike lights etc.
cold showers, do own haircuts, shop at vinnies etc. use olive oil on the bike chain, get old but safe tyres from bike riders whom have more dollars than sense, thrash parts and give back to warranty department for r&d in exchange for new ones...

i could have a new bike each season from sponsors but choose to ride the current ones i have. as they fit, are fast and safe.

law of detachment is a funny thing..dont wish you had it..know youll get it!
ie: my raw conviction intensity creates a fruit abundance vacum that i find it hard to explain. i always get the best fruit each day, those that travel with me experience this also. cos whatever we focus on we get...

in adelaide and sydney im known as the dude that eats '30 bananas for breakfast', so people think your a little 'special' and give you super special deals. cooked fooders feel guilty for selling you fruit they wouldnt eat themselves..its like big conspiracy pushing convicted raw crew forwards. i KNOW i can get more nourishing calories per  $ than any other diet. why? cos its natures plan....mother nature always supports those whom support her, and those whom overcome the initial feelings of doubt and taking things personally as society says your a fruitcake...

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 04 May, 2008 »

Thank you for your answer.

Can you also please tell me:

1) The “average” you actually spend on food in one week?

2) Do you pay rent? Or do you crash for free at friends places?

We are trying to reduce our expenditure, so I was hoping to get some ideas from you.

We are spending around $100.00 - $150.00 on fruit & vegetables but often run out of food before the end of the week.

We can’t keep this up much longer, as it is too expensive. We are not able to go to the wholesale markets because they are a two hour drive from us and we both work during the week.

It would be ok at the weekend but we would end up wasting our initial savings on petrol anyway. And no, we can't more nearer to the markets

Now I am sure you would say that “I am making excuses” but in my eyes they are valid excuses. Going to the wholesale markets is impossible and just not viable for us.

We often ask for discounts at Macros. I have asked for a discount if we buy in bulk but they said no. Normally we will get discounts if we can see they have an over supply of very ripe fruit which they will never sell. Only one assistant we cater to our requests, the other two won’t, so we have to pick our shopping days carefully.

We went for a three hour walk around the neighbourhood yesterday looking for fruit trees, found one lemon tree, one pumpkin plant and nothing else. It is mainly native gum trees and black boys round here. The council spray in parks and on verges etc... so I would be loathe to eat anything in the streets anyway.

Before I was married, I backpacked around the world and lived very cheaply but I was "as free as a bird", I only had myself to please and could do what a wanted, had no responsibilities. It was fantastic at the time but I don't want to go back to that way of life now.

When we were first married, we use to live on $9,100 a year but from that we also had to pay rent, electricity, gas. We had our own veggie patch, we made our own bread, brewed our own beer and shopped at Vinnes. We had some fun times but it was basically a hard existence. It was an extremely good learning curve.....but not one I wish to repeat in a hurry.

So if you could take a walk in my shoes, put yourself in my place, with rental, bills and other expenditure responsibilities, what other tips or hints could you give for sourcing cheaper food?


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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 04 May, 2008 »

Hey Harls...you have seen my family, you know how many little mouths we have to feed...this fortnight I want to try foraging and buying all organic, even doing some work to get some free produce in exchange...a big step, to put your words into action, to see if it is viable for a family of 5. Please will you let me know, where is the best place for me to get organics that are family friendly priced...but good quality, I do have a business number if that helps with wholesalers??...and where do you and freelea forage?...I know all around Glynde, Firle and Campbelltown there are HEAPS of trees...any ideas through your own hands on experience very much appreciated. 

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 04 May, 2008 »

Harley you made the Logies........Thats right the show 'Whats good for you' was nominated and they used the clip of you on your bike.

thought I would let you know.

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 04 May, 2008 »

Harls...thought Id give your word a go and went foraging with the little ones...check out our bounty...( I posted a new topic)...I am quite amazed at how perfect everything is...the persimons..OMG the BEST....

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logies...love it. all part of durianriders plan for global domination...which includes fruit trees in every street, school, uni, workplace, highway etc..

life is like foraging..if you dont find what you want on that street, go to the next one..or just be happy with what we got or didng get...

my mate was talking to me today about his health. he has just bought a second house, pick'n up a new car today and telling me he finds it tough to find the energy to train to be as fit as he likes. i said 'dude you just gotta get more rest and fine tune your nutrition'...reply was 'yeah i know but its not that easy harls...'

where am i foraging? ha! that means less fruit for me! lol! but yeah you know the golden triangle of glynde, paynehm etc...pick a street..any street and keep them eyes open..we have around a million houses in adelaide..thats a lot of fruit trees...i remember foraging 5kg of supreme oranges in iron knob once..lol! you just never know...

today i went to the organic shop on the other side of town, it was closed and i needed carbs quick. i switched on the foraging radar and promptly found 6kg of decent grapes.

look in the yellow pages for organic wholesalers. 2 main ones in adelaide. steves and pyramid.

how many kids you got kk? my friend has got 7...from muscle bound teenager whom eats almost as much as me to durian lov'n toddlers..plus the 2 adults. they are a organic raw family that moved to where the food is. so i guess it comes down to priorities..we have diffferent priorities..and thats fine.

my mate once said to me, i will live anywhere thats gotta pub!, cos a man gotta have his stubbie after a hard days yakka!' yes he was serious..serious about his priorities. and good on him for living how he wants to.

on rent..sometimes i pay 200$ a week..sometimes im living on the street...my health is my main priority and sleeping outdoors is the best way to sleep anyway..

i was at the market on saturday. this dude offered me a box of almost ripe banana. but they werent organic and i knew i could get some organic fruit carbs if i looked harder. i told him to give it to someone that would appreciate it more. i think it probably ended up in the bin with the rest of the almost ripe bananas..

how much fruit goes in the trash? most of it. even the fruit and greens they sell..most just rots in the fridge..lol! we must find a way to tap into the bounty..its just that simple.

years ago i woke up one morning after a really bruised bike crash rib and i felt guilty for asking time off work. soon after i started questioning what and whom i was living for.....

man i can simplify peoples lives so much...a diet of simple sugars lets us see how. eating complex carbs makes life complex..

the more we own, the less we own it and the more it starts to own us...
i sit down with people and we work out their budget...most of it is going to establishing public status via house, car, furnishings, new kitchen, first class air travel, booze, smokes and other drugs, cooked foods, air con/heating bills, meaningless entertainment, animal products, poison sprayed foods....take away all that and you have a lot left to fill the tank with as much quality raw as you care for...




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how many kids you got kk? the more we own, the less we own it and the more it starts to own us...i sit down with people and we work out their budget...most of it is going to establishing public status via house, car, furnishings, new kitchen, first class air travel, booze, smokes and other drugs, cooked foods, air con/heating bills, meaningless entertainment, animal products, poison sprayed foods....take away all that and you have a lot left to fill the tank with as much quality raw as you care for...

No kids yet but hopefully in the future. Public status/keeping up with the Jones has never bothered me. We rent an old house, have an old car, have old furnishings (that are falling apart), we have an old kitchen, we don't travel first class, we rarely drink ($20.00 a week treat), we don't smoke, we don't have Foxtel, we don't buy take-away, we don't have credit cards, we don't buy new clothes. I know how to do a budget and stick to it, due to hubby being an accountant. Not sure what you mean by "animal products"? We buy cat food, if that's what you mean. And no, I won't get rid of my cats, they are like my children, part of the family and I love them very much. Also I am not prepared to leave my rental accomm to live in a tent, just so I can buy food. You would NOT suggest BerryBliss make these sort of sacrifices, so why me?

Moving house to be closer to cheaper food sources is NOT really a very practical suggestion.

If we move closer to the markets, it means we both have to find new jobs.

What happens if the market shuts down and shifts somewhere else...........move again, new jobs again!!

Just imagine if we had children, and kept taking the children out of school and moving them to new schools to save a little bit of money on food. I can just imagine them at the psychiatrist in 15 years time...."we became social outcasts and had no friends because mummy & daddy kept moving us, just to save $20.00 on our weekly food bill".....

Sorry I don't mean to be rude but I think that is a silly and very unpractical suggestion.

Also you have misunderstood my original question. I don't need budget advice or living advice, I just wanted ideas on where to source cheaper foods........co-ops,  wholesalers (although not sure how you do this without an ABN), markets at the end of the day selling stuff off cheaper, dumpster diving etc......what places have worked for you personally?

I am a bit confused by your suggestion of going to wholesalers. I work at a wholesalers and we will only sell to people with an ABN who are retailers in the industry. We don't sell to "Joe Public", so why would an organic fruit & vegetable wholesaler sell to "Joe Public"?? How do you buy wholesale without an ABN? Can you please explain this one

EDIT 6.45PM: I rang two wholesalers today and they said they don't sell to people without a ABN, so I really need your clarification on this please.

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I am a bit confused by your suggestion of going to wholesalers. I work at a wholesalers and we will only sell to people with an ABN who are retailers in the industry. We don't sell to "Joe Public", so why would an organic fruit & vegetable wholesaler sell to "Joe Public"?? How do you buy wholesale without an ABN? Can you please explain this one

I buy all my food from the organic wholesalers in Sydney, so does RAA (Grant) and others.

If you buy enough, typically they are happy to treat you as a cash customer.  Some are more strict and want a $250 minimum order.  I haven't known of a wholesaler in sydney that won't sell to the public - other states I don't know, but I expect it should be ok if you talk to them.  Of course you can't just expect to walk in and purchase bits and pieces. Typically I spend around $300 everytime I get stuff from the markets and it tends to last me 2-3 weeks. sometimes longer.
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