Hi KittyK,

Don't fret - I think Harley was talking about meat, dairy, etc, when he mentioned "animal products"!  I also have cats that are very precious to me - they (and my rats and rabbit) are the reason I have a mortgage.  Given the choice between the type of freedom Harley has and my cats, well ... there's no choice, really.  I couldn't imagine my life without my critters, so I just take the advice I CAN use and let the rest go.

Regarding wholesalers, do you have any people who you could form a little co-op with?  That would give you the opportunity to buy at wholesale prices without having to outlay a lot of money all by yourself.

Just a thought ...

Michaela

Yes this is a great idea and I have thought about it in the past. However, all my friends and acquaintances think organic / biodynamic food is a complete rip off and refuse to buy it (no matter how much I tell them otherwise)

I love organic / biodynamic fruit & veggies and try to buy them all the time. That I think is my issue, I could buy conventional fruit & veggies with no cost issues but I really find it quite tasteless, bland and inferior in quality to organic / biodynamic food.

I want my (raw organic) cake and be able to eat it too !! 

i often like to answer questions cos i know many others are reading and it gives me a chance to address more of an audience. i like how non vegan crew put such importance providing homes for one type of animal yet stuffing another type of animal in their mouth..lol! i give all my non vegan 'pet owner' friends a poke in the ribs about this..

20$ a week on poison? wow! not even i the king of bin bargains could afford that. i equal that to me putting 20$ in the vita mix and knock'n my brain cells against the wall a few times.

hey kk i think you just have to give up the battle to improve your health. the apathy won. you lost. just join the ranks of those willing to settle for second best, its what our planetary decline is founded on. it sounds like you tried. hey, eating poison free quality food aint for everyone. it sounds like you dont have any support and your on your own and people around you value meaningless stuff more than health. heck your right, your kids will end up at shrinks say'n 'mum valued our intake of organic fresh fruits and veg so much that she did whatever it took to get em..., mum showed us that you cant let society's false hurdles get in the way of a poison free feed...'

kk if its just to hard, its just to hard. dont stress yourself about it. i mean how many animals in nature relocate to find food? how many people in society relocate to find food? only the extremo ones like me. you dont want your friends that think organic is a rip off thinking your extreme cos you start locating yourself to make organic shopping more convienient?

 hey i base where i live based on availibility of healthy nutrition and some say im bananas, certified bananas...lol!

often i only spent 5$ at the wholesalers on a 14kg box of cert org bananas. the deals i got from those wholesalers were often so ruthless that id have to cross check and read my old threads cos they are unbelievable.

can we imagine the traffic jams on the highways, the riots, the looting if tommorrow alcohol, cooked food etc was going to be banned..imagine the 50km long que to the only resturant that served cooked food...

if we truly want something, we find a way. we dive in deep and forge a path. if we cant find an example we must create one. where there is no healthy trend in our personal community we must start one or support one existing.

and for the record..the fondest accomodation memories as a child where camping outdoors with my dad and brothers..i always tried to con mum into camping but she just wasnt keen..

kids wrapped in cotton wool often grow up to become adults wanting to contine being wrapped in cotton wool.

its raining outside, its cold, im hungry. the organic shop is 10km away. if i want to get there i must run or ride. no other way. and id have my life no other way..as life is a raw adventure or its nothing!

Awesome posts by both of DurianRider and RawAussieMum where there is a way there is a will for sure.

I think you are really getting some great advise here KittyK, I am just wondering if there is any way you can put in a small vege garden, it's so much fun to do and great for kids to see where things "come" from.

We have some fruit trees in our garden and I sent them outside wit a couple of bowls to collect. The first couple of times they were sooo proud, "look this all comes from our garden Mum" It opens their eyes so they can see what is growing right under their nose...

Good luck

 

Duh! Of course he meant that. I feel like a real twit, at the time of reading I just couldn’t work out what DR meant by “animal products”.

In my defence, I was in a bit of a tizz and had a fuzzy brain when I wrote the reply. As I had just highly embarrassed myself by ringing someone up and asking to speak to Vagina, instead of Virginia.

Thanks for clearing that one up.

i've a question for harley. considering you're so good at foraging for raw food in australia, have you considered running programs to show people how to forage for wild foods? i'd like to know where you find all these foods you forage.

i disagree...i dont have an abn and i know id get served at any organic wholesaler..why? cos ive never been rejected. any organic fresh fruit wholesalers reject your cash purchase to buy boxes of fruits? let me know and next time im in the area i will show you its possible.

even though its 'my' thread, im still gonna keep it pretty chill. the style i use on other forums wont be matched here.

wow, some great ideas from other families.

tchu..yeah everday i run foraging courses. for free. im on the bike everday and im up for showing people what to look for..but i wont take anyone to the prime hunt'n grounds..lol! just give you the basics so you can go from there.

and then we have what bb did..she took the kids out and busted out some hardcore foraging bounty! no one grabbed her hand..she was hungry for it, knew its was possible and took action!

oopsies sorry about that!!!  guess its a bit more complicated than I thought!!!
I understand where you are coming from.  Here, foraging is impossible unless i move country!  Malta has NO veg/fruit greenery and where there is its barb-wired!  Malta is small so industry has pretty much taken over! I have come to my conclusion that being raw is expensive but a price i am happily pay!!  I hope you can find a happy medium KK   Good Luck!!!