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« Reply #75 on: Friday 09 May, 2008 »

where is the modify button? i cant see it so someone please edit out the bits that were inappropiate. thanks.

neet and myself and the rest of the rawdelaide raw crew are all good buddies. we learn from each others results. i thought id highlight factors outside our food choices that affect our overall health. and in hindsight it would have been better to use an example that nobody knew. its just that people keep asking me where is neet? people expect my opinion since im so passionate about the raw lifestyle. so please erase.

why count calories? a question i asked myself. countng calories to me always attached jenny craig tv jingles as a child. as an athlete it means the difference between crossing the line with low blood sugar or contesting the sprint. as someone that relies on their legs to run/ride for transport its the difference in gettng A to B no probs.

i dont do raw for weight loss. i do it for health. i recomend people walk away from sedentary and into athletic abundance. where you eat to increase performance instead of eat to loose weight cos your lifestyle is so sedentary.

if walking is so simple why does it take us so long to master? cos as babies we have no walking references initially. and as cooked fooders we have no references as to how much fresh fruit we need to consume to give us the same amount of calories some cooked carbs did...people can eat a tray of tim tams but get full on 2 bananas. so that is why we need to initially count calories to ensure we are eating enough so we dont fall back to cooked carbs. that is if 100% rv is our goal.

rg, what types of cooked foods and what types of raw foods have made up most of your calories this month?

sacha, it aint complex, its super simple yet easy to overlook the common mistakes that people make and end up at 'start again'. i learnt 811 in 06. yet it was only mid october last year i started truly walking my talk. july last year i had by last bit of salt, vinegar, seaweed and oil. so not very long at all. 100% raw vegan for 2 years exactly before i commited to 811. and this short 7 month period my b12 serum quadrupled, eyes got bluer still, and v02max went up again. etc etc. and for the record i dont think eye colour changes for everyone nor means that much. ive heart of cancer patients with the prettiest blue eyes around..

oxygen, see it as food rehab for a society that bases its attachment to food as emotional and induced by advertisement. you need to re-educate people on how much natural goodness they need to fuel the day. and yes your right, everyone, including athletes do better on increasing carbs and decreasing fats. people get more fuel and oxygen to the cells and life is just easier. its not required to count longterm, just enough to gain new personal references on the amounts of fresh  produce needed to fufill basic human nutrtion. cos after all, people are eating industrial waste products and animals passed off as food. people are eating things we simply would recoil in disgust in nature..ie we have been deeply programmed, become blind and being led by the short sighted. its time we had someone with vison to backlight the way up and out of the dark ages of nutrition.

weight loss is one of the biggest industries in the world. people are counting calories and still not getting results. that is cos they arent doing the most healtful things the body desires. only then will we reach optimum health, fitness and THEN body compostion.

NEVER count calories to loose weight. thats the lack mentality. anything to try to loose will just try and stick closer to you. always count calories to ensure enough premium unleaded to fuel the lifestyle that melts the false body once and for all. as your false body could be a  40kg frame of chronic fatigue or 240kg of obesity. eating enough sweet and juicy sugar fuel will provide you with the ability to kickstart and maintain a lifestyle that allows for peak physical development in your choosen field.

as for breast feeding..doug's wife roz still breastfeeds faye age 3. roz is a long term low fat 100% rv fruit bat.

some crew feel threatend by 811. ive been banned on a few forums. but all they had to do was check dougs own forum! lol! the meat eaters outnumber the 811ers 100 -1! lol!
811 will never take off. i know that for sure. society is to dependent on adrenal flogged workhorses doing anything it takes to keep the cooked lifestyle going. there are too many addictions for us to give up. too many trillion dollar industries that rely on our natural way of eating being continuly debunked by scientists whom sold out to the almighty dollar.

a society where men dominate and women have not been raised to quesiton the desires of men - rather only to honor them..
a society where chefs are praised for their ability to turn a piece of murdered animal into dainty edible art.
a society that as children, before conformity caught a hold of us, we knew who we were and what we loved...
a society where people spend more time locked behind security doors than outdoors.
a society where the earth and its animals are valued more as stock. where profits come before people.
a society that could be turned magical overnight if people ate as nature intended. yet people are terrifed at this answer or cant believe its simplicity...



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« Reply #76 on: Saturday 10 May, 2008 »

Harley - that was a really solid post.   thumbup

On the issue of people feeling "threatened" by 811 - I can only speak for myself when I say....

For reasons that you mentioned in your own post (and many more), raw is often a very difficult journey, especially if one is interfacing with the "normal" world on a daily basis. 

And so every ounce of encouragement is welcome when one is doing one's best, and taking steps towards greater levels of health. 

It can be discouraging at times, when a person is doing what they can (right here, right now), to feel as if they are the new kid in school who is perpetually shadowed by the school prefects.  laugh
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« Reply #77 on: Saturday 10 May, 2008 »

Yes, that was a very good post, H.  I like the terms "false body" as we usually just think of the false mind.  It translates to everything--emotions and also spirituality.  I also like how you said that health comes before body composition.

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« Reply #78 on: Saturday 10 May, 2008 »

Got a lot from that post Harls. In fact I get a lot more from your posts when you go a bit deeper into explanations instead of punchy one or two liners.

Gives a different insight into you and what your "on about"....lol.

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« Reply #79 on: Saturday 10 May, 2008 »

on the calories note:
i see it different , and what if a cetain point we're all going to 'experience' it different....?

excerpt from the 'Essene Gospel of Peace Kung Fu Folklore Book 1':
'Oridnary humans nourish themselves only with solid, liquid and gaseous elements. And what do they do with the fourth element, light?

and yes, i know - go and tell it to 'ordinary people' that scare at the idea of having fruit for breakfast and lunch,,,, not an easy one... 
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« Reply #80 on: Sunday 11 May, 2008 »

How is 811 in anyway complex?  its the most least complex of all forms of eating raw.  You eat all the fruit you care for, followed by all the vegetables you care for.

No gourmet recipe books and elaborate packaged and bottled ingredients needed.

With all this calorie debate perhaps people are getting confused looking beyond the simplicity of it all.

To function a sedentary person needs x amount of calories per day to run their body.  Lets say x is 1300 calories.
On raw you can get these calories through fruit or you can get them from an overt fat.

If you are a competitive athlete, or even want to function on some kind of athletic level you need more calories than the sedentary figure.  Lets say you do a half an hour work out per day, plus lots of daily chores and tasks that involve walking, driving and so forth.   Maybe then your requirements might be 2200 calories.  This equates to 22 bananas at 100 calories each, just for a non competitve person.  With the training harley does he must consume copious amounts of fruit to thrive - this is all he is pushing forward as his facts.

The majority of the raw movement are consuming their calories in fat.   Doug and Harley are simply bringing to light that the experts all recommend for optimal body performance no more than 10% of calories should be coming from fat.

If you want to know the science behind why excessive fat beyond 10% impairs optimal human performance then read Doug's book.  Its quite obvious those if you think about it, fat is an insulator and fat in the bloodstream will insulate suger and everything else in there, impairing optimal uptake of sugar to the cells.

The reason Harley highlights counting calories is without doubt the biggest reason people fail on 811 is they are unaware of the exact calories they are getting from fruit, and are on occasion eating far less than they require even for being sedentary, yet they are also active.  They may think they are eating HEAPS of fruit, but when you do the math they realise, its not calorie sufficient.

This starvation of sufficient calories either leads to hitting the fats and feeling less than optimal, or being tired because they are not consuming sufficent fuel so the body has to hit the fat stores and use further resources to convert fat to simple sugar fuel.  Eventually the gig is up and the person think 811 failed me, when in fact they failed 811.

Essentially you only need to briefly check the calories you are getting in from fruit at the start to understand exactly the amount of fruit you actually do require. Most people are shocked at the volume they haven't been eating and NEED to eat to make 811 successfully work.

If you're not prepared to eat the quantity to make 811 work then thats fine, it doesn't mean the diet deserves a bad wrap.  It should only get a bad wrap if it doesn't work when it is applied correctly and thus far I have yet to see evidence, nor has doug in 30 years, had evidence come up that dispute the science he presents on what is optimal for human performance.

Also if you are attempting to do 811 but still occasionally bingeing on cooked food or overt fats then you are keeping fat levels in your blood and impairing the success and wellbeing of the 811 approach.  You either go all the way with 811 or not.  If you are consuming more than 10% calories from fat, then I highly recommend not consuming high fruit because you are simply setting the stage for blood sugar metabolism issues - like candida.  Do the david wolfe or gabriel cousens methods, but don't expect to have the energy to thrive like Harley.

Also you don't need to eat the amount harley does unless you train like harley.  811 proportion never changes, the more you do the more calories you need.  But for sedentary and semi-athletic people they still need more than they generally think.
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« Reply #81 on: Sunday 11 May, 2008 »

Jim - are you still doing superfoods & herbs etc.?  I know a few months back doing 811 was causing you digestive problems.  Have these sorted themselves out?
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Jim - are you still doing superfoods & herbs etc.?  I know a few months back doing 811 was causing you digestive problems.  Have these sorted themselves out?

I am back hardcore 811 and have been for almost a month now.  The digestive distress was caused by overeating too fast. I could never eat watermelon, but if I slow and eat it properly without scoffing it down I am ok.  Also I was drinking 10 banana smoothies in less than 5 minutes which was too harsh on my delicate digestive system.  Ultimately I was never giving it a chance to repair itself.

I also just wanted to try the other types of raw (having come into raw on 811) so I knew for myself whether they worked for me or not.  I didn't expect them to work better but I wanted to know the feeling so I could at least argue with people about it having had the experience.  I feel far better being on 811, and more comfortable with the straight up and obvious scientific explanations of it all.     I was not seeing enough or any science on the other higher fat raw eating that made me feel at odds with anything doug was saying.

On the david wolfe stuff I felt ok on a general basis, but my athletic aspirations were completely affected.  I ran out of steam pretty quickly.  I also had more cooked food binges and body odour returned.

I'm unsure about effectiveness of herbs but I am now fully doing natural hygiene again and am happy to support the belief that only the body will cure the body.   Not some unnatural concoction of rare plants and trees.

For the first time in 6 months, I am returning to where I was feeling best I ever felt on raw.  In the last week I feel I am surpassing it all and feeling the best ever - coinciding with some further enlightment and spiritual awakening.
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« Reply #83 on: Sunday 11 May, 2008 »

That's great news.....and a very sound approach, to boot!
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« Reply #84 on: Sunday 11 May, 2008 »

i so want to be raw for so many reasons...yet feel so weak coz I succumb to the cooked foods i'm addicted to. how did you overcome your addictions Harley?
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« Reply #85 on: Sunday 11 May, 2008 »

nice post jim, thanks for sharing.

how i walked away from being a cooked fooder? well one day after eating out at a vegan resturant i woke up yet again feeling cooked. i looked in the mirror and said something like 'what are you doing to yourself? you know that cooked garbage is dangerous, just look at everyone in society and their cooked pets..you wanna contribute to that? to the animal rights crimes that are grain crops? to the unethical wastage of fuel to cook food and render it nutritionally devoid?....'

i know i have a higher purpose in life. to continue numbing myself with the second best wasnt it. i had to find a way to stay raw. i had to understand basic human physiology and what i needed to fuel myself so that discipline just wasnt a factor. and i can honestly say that i dont use discipline to stay 100% raw vegan since that morning in oct 2005. its just that i learnt how to eat enough fruit to keep my hands grabbing cooked carbs.

you dont see athletic raw folk that dont have a healthy sweet fruit consumption habit. yesterday i did 110km on the bike. rode home up this super steep climb called the corkscrew. absolutely cruized up it. ive riden that hill for over 10 years and last night was the easiest. cos my legs are just getting the carbs they crave. cycling has become so easy i have to make a conscious effort to try in races. cos im so focused on making everything so easy for my body, i forget that sometimes you have to push so hard you feel battery acid in your blood and feel as if your near cardiac arrest. only then are we experiencing our true potential...

i get so hungry...especially the day after a race. this morning i rolled out of bed and onto my bike and to the organic shop and grabbed exactly 6kg of sweet valencias. then lunch was 2kg super ripe persimmons the gooey type. then dinner was 2 lettuces, 2 stalks of celery and 400 grams of alice springs dates. thats close to 5000cals today. i feel so nourished, recharged and ready to roll again once the sun says gday. no hill seems to steep. no distance to far, as long as we provide the body the conditions it needs to thrive...

its no suprise that people in direct contact with me set personal bests in cycling. from absolute beginer to seasoned A grader.
its the same with raw, there are little tips to share. things ive covered all before. things you need to cover to stay raw. otherwise we just keep slam'n our fingers in that cooked food door...

and people ask me what supplements i take cos i dont eat dead animals, bird menstrations or mammary secretions. they are like 'well you gotta balance out your lentils, grains and nuts then eh? they step back in suprise when i tell em im against supplements. that im FOR finding out the cause. most b12 cases i see is people on high fat diets and they are blocking the b12 absorption sites. most problems i see with iron is lack of sunshine. most problems i see with calcium is acid forming diet, lifestyle and attitude. so we we pop pills made in 1967 or eat whole, fresh, ripe, raw, organic plant foods in the proper amounts...

one of my mates said 'you cant do raw vegan..the fruit doesnt have all the minerals in it..' im like 'what over plant has tap roots that go down 100 metres or more? funny how he drinks beer...must be the minerals.

i ask the question 'where you get your plant sterols from?' cos these disipate a few hours after pick'n. but we dont see that advertised on tv so nobody cares much..lol!

this week im gonna ring up australias leading bakery chains and ask em how old was the grain in this 'fresh' loaf i got the phone number from?
im gonna find out how old the oil was that made a packet of tim tams with the 1 year expiry date...

its so funny..people eating rancid beyond rancid oils, rodenticided grains, milk that contains blood cell counts from hundreds to thousands of different cows...and yet, the same cooked crew say your gonna go deficient if you follow what has worked for other raw crew and what is set out in nature....yeah right. those people that complain..they are always the ones that never try anything. they get to the end of  this life and go 'oh no, that was my life, WHAT WAS I THINKING!'

today i was outside the organic shop chomp'n celery and this dude rolls up on a motor scooter. he was obese. i said to me friend that he will come out of the deli with some sort of cooked carb. yet i had never seen this man before, i still knew what he was going in for...the vibe and transport said everything. sure enough he came out with 4 packets of noodles and another plastic bag to store the plastic wrapped plastic food to fuel a plastic life.  walking to and from his motor was hard yakka and poor champ was puffing like the saucepan steaming over full of noodle. i couldnt recomend he come into the organic shop and get a good deal on some sweet fruit . no, that would be telling someone what to do. its not like the tv adds lied to him and everyone with their fun noodle jingle. those noodles were never fun, they are just opiate food grade crack with salt and msg. thats stuff is harder than herion. its not only accepted in society its encouraged and sold on every main street.

people tell me i think about food a lot. well yes it comes across that way cos i plan my food availability well. being raw aint like the old days when you had drug dealers in each suburb with a supermarket full of ways to get your cooked fix. today i have to actually ensure my food is ripe enough. and in enough quantity to get the calories. so yeah, it may seem like a fixation but its actually just being prepared cos im raw living in a cooked world.

cooked fooders just have to walk into any shop and they have something to numb emselves with. cooked carbs with some caffiene will fuel the hardest workout. being a raw athlete means that i know i have to bring enough food along. especially when i ride out bush. cos you roll up to a redneck road house looking for organic hand selected, tree ripend, fragrant, soft to touch persimmons and wearing bike shorts and you know your got trouble coming your way! lol!

so yeah, you wanna be raw, stay raw..you gotta be prepared. and with the world shortage of bees at the moment..it doesnt look like things are gonna get better! lol!

we are litterally cooking ourselves, each other and the planet. im staying raw no matter what. i wanna stay around just to see how cooked this planet can get. people didnt learn when they were kids and burnt em selves in the kitchen. that was god telling you to 'eat live food and sin no more!'

jesus said to eat all raw.
world leading nutrition researchers say to eat all raw
every animal specie on the planet eats all raw
your body tells you to eat all raw..

yet we still have a hard time knowing it , believing it and acting on it. why? cos we choose to buy the cooked lies and guzzle the cooked fries. the only way out is to stop the maddness and do what actually works. do what mother nature wants. do what your true self and body want, do what all the animals want. like the little lambs i saw whilst out riding yesterday, i knew their fate was a bolt gun to the head and a cold blood stained meat hook in the face. and that was all following 'humane  slaughterhouse codes and practises..' what a load of insanity. just so people can continue the disconnected selfish way of existance.

we go to church on sunday and pray for world peace, then go meet our mates and snap off bits of skinned animal, place it in our mouths. most of the time using knives and forks so we dont look too savage like, and so we dont have to scrub off the animals body fat off our hands. but the last laugh is on those that use commercial soaps. as ALL soaps found in supermarkets have animal tallow as the main ingredient. so you think your washing off the blood..but your just using the animals fat..world peace prayer coming out, death and torture burger going in.. meat breath coming out. swollen ankle, could be gout. animal adrenaline psycosis mak'n ya wanna scream and shout. bowel cancer pus means the fatal bout.  you got hot flushes and now the surgeons want your ovaries out.  industries that rely on cutting open humans that are full of cut open animals. whom is cutting who? why the blood lust? havent we had enough pain and torture on this planet already?


i thrive on adventure. adventure is forgetting about certainty. its about stepping out of your comfort zone and looking back and seeing how uncomfortable we really were.  people worried about protein, iron etc and we have strapping fine examples of raw vegan athletics worldwide. from lean cyclists like me, to ultra runners like grant, raw vegan body builders like storm, charlie abel, F1, six pack seb....
world champ kick boxers like james southwood and a host of other crew keep'n it real and keep it raw on www.organicathlete.org

find an example and pursue it!
pick up some fruit and chew it!
set some goals and JUST DO IT!

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« Reply #86 on: Monday 12 May, 2008 »

I have a question I hope can fit in here -

Any suggestions on buying a bike??

Would be looking to spend $500-$700
Travel mainly on smooth bike trails
Also want to take it on dirt trails
Not hard, rough riding either
I'm 6'1" also

Even a brand name to look into would be great, as well as anything else.

The info out there is overwhelming at times and would be nice to hear what you think.

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« Reply #87 on: Monday 12 May, 2008 »

Thanks Harls Smiley
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By the way, Harley, the dude "Jesus" or better yet, "Issa" to others, did not say to eat raw.  His brother may have with the Essenes, but even then there was a lot of contention with belief systems.  I wish you'd read more into these things, even the kundalini stuff you talked about, before you speak without knowledge.  To be a leader, we need to know what we are talking about, so either diligently expand your knowledge base or stick to your real-life experience with athletics, 811, and natural living.  Just some advice for you. Smiley

I guess I should spend a little more time to clarify.  Since you are stating something which you heard and maybe briefly read, I decided to back up my claim here and read whatever Essene text that said Jesus said such things.  Well, these words were found in the 3rd Century, long after this Jesus character lived.  When he was "missing" for 18 years, he actually popped up in Hindu and Buddhist texts, as well as in the Koran.  His name was Issa there, although after writing this and thinking more, I know also of Isis for a woman, so this may be another name of adulation or worse in the case of a bigger agenda in the next paragraph.  I have read around 200 books trying to figure out what were his words and who he was, and of course there are differing views.  One is that he was an alien, one that he is a normal person who was deified by the masses after he died because he was a popular figure and could be used to bridge the gap for followers into Christianity, for linguistic scholars dissected the language in the 4 gospels and found he was just like any other supposed sage who spouted words of wisdom like "Confuscious says" proverbs.  One was that there were many so-called messiahs who were crucified in the street, but due to the socio-political-religious climate of his time, he was perfect candidate. 

I have read more about the Ascended Masters and how they are really aliens with their own galactic command.  They have their own group called "Jesus" or "Joshua" as interchangeable names.  Beings come to us and link to us in that name to direct us to their agenda.  Just like the Egyptian "Ra" beings do, etc. etc.  Where is our individuality, even though, yes, we are connected in a Oneness?  When there is mis-information and an agenda for us, that is when we really need to research instead of repeat these so-called "leaders" before us and hold them in highest regard.  So, with this Issa or Yeshua person whose name we may not know, I believe he was just a person (but with some alien blood?, I'm not entirely sure) who learned of mystery school ways linked to the Jesus command.  When people communicate with "Jesus" now, they may be told of the raw foodist stuff, or they may not, for meat is also accepted because these beings are really just like humans who want to help or even control us (which isn't help, is it?).  In the times of the creation of the Essenes, it is reported that it was not Issa who started it but his brother.  Issa in the Bible ate some meat some time.  But, who knows what to fully believe?  That is my point:  just don't state it as fact, Harley, when you don't know the whole picture.  It should raise a question in your and everyone's mind that when this sort of Essene text is dated to the 3rd Century, that is not this original Jesus or Issa person, and then hopefully it would prompt people to explore the fuller story. 
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« Reply #89 on: Monday 12 May, 2008 »

Lol...."Jesus said to eat all raw"...

Well that's debatable...but he also said a lot of other things...

You a Jesus "follower" Harls...or are ya just quoting what suits ya to increase the "impact" (in a verification sense) ?

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