I came across this blog post about craving and aversion.  Harley, I'd like to hear you opinion on it.
http://www.solbeam.com/2005/08/as-it-is.htm


Sanghama

In depth debates?....L....OHHHH.....L

Harls why do you talk in the 3rd person so much?

I'm gonna be blunt...blunter than normal ;-)

What I see in your posts is pure ego "disguised" by a thin veneer of actual concern for others. If that's a judgement then so be it. Oxygen2 thinks that you're primarily on your own mission (and nothing wrong with that)... but I think you have deceived yourself in some ways to what actually motivates you.

I think you do your own "movement" more harm than good....by reasons that have been discussed in depth before.

It's a shame in many ways...to wound the very thing you profess to promote.

It seems a few others are seeing that as well.

Oh well....shrug.

John

thanks for the link on the 'as it is' info.

very true. another way to say it is 'there is no right or wrong, only consequenses'.

 i see life 'as it is' as a result of the consequences we manifest by our own daily personal thoughts and actions.

That's great that you kept your word Harley. That's what good friends do. I too would appreciate that. But I would not appreciate it had I not asked for it.

xoxoxo

years back, the yoga movement in small comunist country, not suported by governement, nearly baned, finaly attached to the sport box, under the sport minister departement, but with teh condition :
if it is a sport, that You need to have regular competitions with the national championship on the top.

and so the quailifying for the champuionship began by aplication, teh yoga teachers needed to fill form for each competitor and somehow mark teh points in variopus issues :

one was how noncompetive the yoga student is, it become competition in noncopmetition and the scoers for the national championships were awarded for noncompetitive egos.
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I see our duty to permanent evolmenet in everything, that includes the improvement in health and fitness.
We are free to choose the favorite sport activity etc, in some it is easy to monitor, my favorite athletics is based on measuring times at constant distances and at constant conditions, so I can easy monitor myself by timing my running and walking, and or by measuriong the distance in nmjumps or thorws, or measuring the weight lifted up and counting the reps etc.
I do not need the competition as such, since I compete against my old performance against the clock...


Some sports have this complicated, fotbal, volleyball could not be measured and it is comparing with other teams which gives some feedback.

Cyclist are also very unclear, unless they have teh chance of ITT on track, conditions are allways different, on top of that, the bike technology eveolving, they just do not have real measures, so they need to race each others and from teh race results somehow derived to conclusuion if they are personaly improving or not, which is tricky...

if perfect is enlightened, some are on the path but if they had reached it, why would they be here?
We're too agressive and need to be the gentle guiding light we'd like to see Harley be? Harley doesn't see gentle guiding lights, he's too fast for that, I don't think any of us are saying become a gentle guiding light.  My concern is the main thing I am getting from Harley's posts are agitation coming across as agression, if I sense it a lot of other people would to, I'm not that special.  I don't find that agression motivating, it's boring to me, and it's getting hyped up another notch with the competetive edge to the training, it's even more monotonous. There are people saying how inspiring Harley is, just as agressive as he is, I'm sure those people would respond well to a bootcamp atmosphere, there are a LOT more people saying how inspiring Harley is when he is not in bootcamp mode, and there are even more that say he is demotivating, intimidating, too agressive, scary, off putting, negative, they are usually the ones he encounters in bootcamp mode.  Doesn't that mean that bootcamp mode is not the best way to approach a majority of people to have the message received clearly?  Harley obviously wants an audience, he wouldn't be spending so much time on the internet on various forums, he wouldn't need to find new forums and refer people back here if he didn't want his audience to grow.  He virtually tried getting his own forum going but he wanted a bigger audience.  If he wants to actually have a bigger audience take in what he says, bootcamp mode is not the way to do it. 

Bootcamp mode is an ineffective method to get points across in the written word, there is a reason Tony Robbins doesn't handout instructions on how to set up a firewalk in your backyard and then have motivational yelling at you done in the written word so you know you can do it, do it and then draw on that whenever you doubt you can do something - the crucial thing there is that motivational yelling done in the written word just does not work as effectively as if done in person, you cannot get the same results, it's a limitation with the written word, high energy shockvalue gets diluted by the brain having time to override the shockvalue because the brain is engaged in reading, not just receiving the message.   If harley makes some adjustments he could actually be heard by a LOT more people, or at least his message might be heard by a lot more people, I think a lilttle bit more clarity on the message is needed too, since it's expanded from eat more fruit it has lost it's focus for me, eat more fruit needed to be expanded, but now it's all about kfc, peta, winning... Winning is utmost at the moment, then I'm not sure if it is animals, evil multinationals, evils of SAD, or raw food, it's all a bit overcooked at the moment with the winning THE thing.



Harley excuses his wrinkles as genetics and external influences, that's what he wants to believe; if anyone excused their bad skin/weight/pain/etc as genetics and/or external influences to Harley they would be labelled as weak and a sign they were destinined to go back to kfc, they should be glowing with raw.

Thanks raw sensation...I enjoy your posts as well!

Once my sister was working out a lot and was talking about how she feels more muscular. She was eating at the time and I could see her jaw muscles working away and I said 'ya, even your head looks more muscular' and I laughed teasingly....well I didn't know it till months later when she finally told me that it made her so upset!

In our house, we have a running sarcastic criticism of each other....we get the truth out in jest. We laugh hysterically about how we drive each other nuts! When I get fed up I love telling him that I am 'virtually' jump kicking him in the face right now....we think it's great fun. ....my sister, not so much! apparently...lol.

I do think people take things too personally. ...and no I am Not defending Harley...but I Do buy into that particular notion. And having also read a New Earth, I think people take things personally the more they are identified with their egos. Obviously!

...so what do you do, desensitize them or spoil them. I am getting less and less interested in tiptoeing around this world, I'll say that.

Harley doesn't bother me a bit...but it could be because he has the same style as my dear brother who has schizophrenia, lol. Only my bro is much worse.... the most vulgar things at the most inappropriate times.

Perhaps Harley could be gentler or something....but perhaps people could also be a little hardier too. Some people hold NO punches. While others run crying at the teensiest things. They would make a great couple. And no I am not joking! The weaker one would Have to get tougher, and the tough one would have to tone things down. I used to be sooooo sensitive....thought the solution was to have a big scary man to fight my battles for me. I didn't have enough foresight at the time to think what I would do when we fought with each other! Funny now....wasn't funny then At All.

If Harley went and made someone cry with his style, would he look them in the face and be gentle and apologetic? Would he be humbled and introspective? Probably....And the crier would also recognize a desire to be stronger.