bp, have i got the question straight. we fix the transport situation etc. but we are still cooking food and or enslaving animals for food.

6 billion people on the planet. we dont have enough resources or need for ANYONE to be cooking food. there simply is ZERO need for someone in society today to derrange and damage their food. sure we have people in iceland. but even they are getting imported fruit up there.

indonesia, burma, india, china, bangladesh, siberia etc etc are chopp'n down there forrests as we speak to make room for 'quality animal protein' , firewood and grain crops to feed the animals and themselves cos they didnt plant sufficient fruit.

the solution is here. there is no other way. its 811rv. thats just how its gotta be. there are no losers on this path. just those few that choose to stay in the cooked bath. sautee'n their lifes along with their brocoli. steaming any chance of a cool and calm outlook. broiling and boiling their looks like the poor crab scampering around its david jones teflon casket on the latest designer stove top.

we need not more than health, shelter, life purpose and food.
we can make a living or make a killing...

ok onto the next subject... dr my knees need help..

jim has got the tips i rate.

and what would i recomend? i would recomend what i did. i had some real knee issues goin'n down a few years back. doesnt sound as bad as yours dfe. but this is what i did.., i put my health before my wealth.i quit work(was on my feet there). slept as much as i could. took the big ring off my bike for almost a year so i could NOT push big gears. i did a tonne of yoga, stretching, massage and anything else that didnt make the knee complain. finally after a few years im rock steady, iron knees ready. if your eating hardline 811 and have read the book so you know it backwards then you are living the most alkaline way. which also will promote injury repair.

sleep gives us the growth hormones to repair. get as much as you can.

cg: i totally forgot about them bbq crew. heck, i had to yell cos they couldnt understand my 'ossie' accent..lol!

john: yep you got it right bro.

keb: from chronic fatigue couch potatoe to shouting ultra endurance lifestyle tips from the rooftops.. ie do good, expect good..

Okay H...so lemme get this straight in my head.....

I said:



And you're saying I got it right....all of it or just some points....I need some clarification on this.


John

John, what do You personaly, want out of this. simply, honestly.

You stated that

1. You do not want to get rid of Harley

2. You do not want to change Harley (not any more to be precise)


I feel that I am one of the big group, who cant get the point, is missing the point etc.

so tell me and to others confused, what is the point.

what is the 3. solution You are seeking.

If You do not want to get rid of Harley and do not want to change him, what is than teh solution ?

I would like to read it, otherwise I can only make the comclusion that at least one of the 2 statements are simply not true.

I enjoy reading Harley's posts

LOL...so now I'm a whinger? And an unhappy one at that?

I'm sorry you see it that way Rudy.

Tell ya what mate. If you're inclined PM me your phone number and I'll give you a call. I'll give you some verbal hugs and you can verbally kick my arse.

John

PS: I find your reply a bit "rich" in some regards Rudy...I mean, you've had the odd dummy spit and left here when you weren't happy about something....lol

So i sound like the skin expert? Sorry, I have no need to be the skin expert, I have need to be known on the internet on multiple message boards and collect followers.  I like to understand how things work, why things work like they do, I ask questions, I'm interested in opinions, differing opinions, I'm interested in a good discussion, someone asks 'which is better, juice or green smoothies?' I'll say the 'green smoothy hardliners say you need the roughage, the juice hardliners will say the roughage interferes with digestion.  Figure out what works for you, it might be both' Many people don't even realise there are the 2 extremes, they just go along with what they find first as the be all and end all, or they go along with it, find it doesn't work, go to the opposite extreme and dismiss their first choice, taking their second method as gospel, then that doesn't work and they clutch at something else, one day they will figure out what does work for them. If they are lucky they will recognise that what they used to do had some benefits, even if it is just to get them to where they can recognise what works for them now, and be open that it might not work for them next week, and it probably won't work for every other single person on the planet. Open to alternatives, accepting of the existence of other possibilities, not some narrow minded fundamentalist view.

As for skin, wrinkles are an indication of connective tissue breakdown, shouldn't be happening before 30, up to mid-late 20s, the body is producing it's own collagen, by 30 is it generally considered to have stopped unless you've got too much HGH.  How quickly what connective tissue in your skin breaks down after that point is up to your body.  Good connective tissue, expression wrinkles should be flattening out like folding a pillow it bounces back and you can't see where it was folded, deteriorating connective tissue, you crease the skin up, the crease stays there; eventually the connective tissue becomes so inefficient creasing the skin has nothing to do with it, the skin just start sagging and flapping.  Same thing happens throughout all the connective tissue in the body, it's just you can't see it, unless you've got MRI vision (note x-ray vision just doesn't show it clearly enough). These are all scientifically proven facts, and there are enough people getting wrinkles once they pass 30 for even empirical evidence to support the scientific fact. I'm over 30, so my skin isn't perfect. I've no need to post photos on the internet to enhance my skin expert guru reputation anyway since I'm not trying to be a skin expert guru. Sure I tell people to try jojoba for their skin, hardly anyone has heard of it and so they don't know how good it is, if they're tried everything else, it's another option to try, hardly means I'm trying to be a skin expert.

Show how it's done?  No need, you just have to be involved with cutting up a few dead bodies and you can relate wrinkled outside to wrinkled inside. After even just a 12 week anatomy course, most schools will let you go on a wet lab if you're interested, see how the body really works on the physical plane. The plasticised bodies and body parts are great to get a good understanding, but actual wet tissue takes it to the next level.

Interesting that if you continue to read the rest of the thread Jennie proposed the solution of isolating Harley into two threads.  John then agreed and said:
"Perfect solution...now there is no room for anyone to complain and we can all move on."

Thanks for the phone call Rudy....it was eye-opening and even challenging in many ways....a bit like...you know the truth when you hear it, because it resonates in your soul.

I have much to think about and consider.

Thanks for your time mate.



John