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« Reply #510 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

bp, have i got the question straight. we fix the transport situation etc. but we are still cooking food and or enslaving animals for food.

6 billion people on the planet. we dont have enough resources or need for ANYONE to be cooking food. there simply is ZERO need for someone in society today to derrange and damage their food. sure we have people in iceland. but even they are getting imported fruit up there.

indonesia, burma, india, china, bangladesh, siberia etc etc are chopp'n down there forrests as we speak to make room for 'quality animal protein' , firewood and grain crops to feed the animals and themselves cos they didnt plant sufficient fruit.

the solution is here. there is no other way. its 811rv. thats just how its gotta be. there are no losers on this path. just those few that choose to stay in the cooked bath. sautee'n their lifes along with their brocoli. steaming any chance of a cool and calm outlook. broiling and boiling their looks like the poor crab scampering around its david jones teflon casket on the latest designer stove top.

we need not more than health, shelter, life purpose and food.
we can make a living or make a killing...

ok onto the next subject... laugh dr my knees need help..

jim has got the tips i rate.

and what would i recomend? i would recomend what i did. i had some real knee issues goin'n down a few years back. doesnt sound as bad as yours dfe. but this is what i did.., i put my health before my wealth.i quit work(was on my feet there). slept as much as i could. took the big ring off my bike for almost a year so i could NOT push big gears. i did a tonne of yoga, stretching, massage and anything else that didnt make the knee complain. finally after a few years im rock steady, iron knees ready. if your eating hardline 811 and have read the book so you know it backwards then you are living the most alkaline way. which also will promote injury repair.

sleep gives us the growth hormones to repair. get as much as you can.

cg: i totally forgot about them bbq crew. heck, i had to yell cos they couldnt understand my 'ossie' accent..lol!

john: yep you got it right bro.

keb: from chronic fatigue couch potatoe to shouting ultra endurance lifestyle tips from the rooftops.. ie do good, expect good..
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« Reply #511 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

I understand that being "on the field" as you are you do see a lot, and I agree with your environmental views.  There is another answer to life, though, and it is love, real love.  That is evidenced in not first shouting from afar to get someone's attention but waiting until we get closer in approach--it has nothing to do with an accent--but of course there is more to the picture.  Have a great time in Asia, H. 
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« Reply #512 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

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john: yep you got it right bro.    


Okay H...so lemme get this straight in my head.....

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I guess if you're not "perfect" you don't have the right to an opinion?

So "perfect" is an 811 athlete and anyone else dealing with any issue whether it be physical, emotional or mental...unless they are 811 and a disciple of dougs...are....well what exactly....wasting their time?

Isn't that really what you are saying?

  


And you're saying I got it right....all of it or just some points....I need some clarification on this.


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« Reply #513 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

ok, no I'm not talking about enslaving animals for food....let's for arguments sake say... everyone is vegan, Very Vegan. lol. Let's say that this happened by choice, since it just became so socially unacceptable as more and more people became vegan. Kind of like how smoking is today and continues to become.

So noone is eating or using animals...and they chose this lifestyle themselves...not that you care about that part I'm guessing, but I am all about freedom and choice and against dictatorships as a rule.

Next, everything is by law or peer pressure or by technology, recycled, reused, and power is sustainable.

Ok, first you say 'we don't have enough resources or need for anyone to be cooking food....then you say 'there is simply zero need' which are two different things but you said it in such a way as to imply rewording for emphasis.

zero need, I can agree with. zero resources to cook food.....  rofl ...as we said all sources of power are sustainable in this psuedo world. My stove might be solar powered. Or I might roast some veggie dogs on a stick by a naturally occuring forest fire. Or sun dry, or boil something in some hot spring somewhere. We have sustainable resources already invented and it's not that far-fetched that they will become implemented 'before the world is destroyed'.

I'm just thinking...I think we can save the world without us all being 811 athletes. I just can't buy into a world where the slightest step outside 811 will destroy the planet. It just sounds too sensational.

People have been cooking their food for probably millions of years or something.....although maybe that's what happened to the dinosaurs. The environment continued to be splendid the whole time.

I guess my ultimate point of pondering all this would be that People Need Freedom and Liberty to Choose things about their personal life. EVEN if They die the sooner for it. So long as they aren't causing anyone else harm. People can live till 120 and still eated cooked food anyway. So why is it such a crime to allow for some dietary freedom....if it's not necessarily destroying the world. Or hurting animals.

I just think While 811 is perhaps ideal, and if it was eventually the average diet and lifestyle, you'll still find people eating god-made green onions or drying tomatoes in the sun....and shouldn't That be good Enough already??

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« Reply #514 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

John, what do You personaly, want out of this. simply, honestly.

You stated that

1. You do not want to get rid of Harley

2. You do not want to change Harley (not any more to be precise)


I feel that I am one of the big group, who cant get the point, is missing the point etc.

so tell me and to others confused, what is the point.

what is the 3. solution You are seeking.

If You do not want to get rid of Harley and do not want to change him, what is than teh solution ?

I would like to read it, otherwise I can only make the comclusion that at least one of the 2 statements are simply not true.
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« Reply #515 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

Hiya Rudy.

It's simple enough and I've stated it before in numerous ways.

Here it is in more depth.

 I believe that a high raw diet is of benefit to everyone.

I think that a high raw diet is more attainable by a far larger number of people (and therefore of more real benefit to the world in many ways) than a strict hardline approach such as 811 that will only ever attract a small number of people relatively speaking.

My concern (hence my contribution) is that a large number of people who may potentially adopt and benefit from a high raw diet are "turned-off" the idea when they are told things like 811 or forget it.

I also believe that the way H (for example) presents it comes across as fanatical with a degree of religous fervour.  By default that alienates a large number of people who simply walk away from the whole concept and label any and all raw foodists as nutters. Now of course that would happen anyway BUT ANYONE who comes here...this forum, has done so by choice and out of an interest in the subject so are of course less likely to have a closed mind to the matter.

Then they run into the 811 crew.

My contribution has only been to offer a balance to this and to question in particular H's method of delivery (which I see as damaging to the movement overall). I've stood alone on this matter more than once and been left out in the cold a few times over it....it's nothing new Rudy and you know that.

What do I want out of it personally? I hope the above explains it.

Do I want to get rid of Harley...no and I've never stated that either. He has a right to say what he wants and I defend that right, while also reserving my right to have my say.

I never wanted to change Harls...I did though....yes, want to try and get him to see that by changing his delivery style he could and would reach more people. That turned out to be a waste of time.

What is the solution I'm seeking?....hmmmm.....in a word..."balance"....a more accepting and compassionate approach to others versions of improving themselves via raw food instead of the regular "putting down" of other raw food "gurus" (AND by default then anyone "following their advice)....people who have (apart from Dr Doug) no doubt helped many.

People new to this whole concept only become confused by what in reality turns out to be a fractured community (the raw food world) only because of a few egoists who are promoting their way as superior to others. You would think that everyone involved in this would be more obviously caring of others, sadly that is far from the case.

This place was not designed to promote one approach of raw food above any other and that was clearly stated I believe in the original forum guidelines.

Have I answered your questions to your satisfaction Rudy? If not, I can go deeper into it.

John

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« Reply #516 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

I enjoy reading Harley's posts
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« Reply #517 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

John You went sidetrack.

But still in that answer, clearly there are ideas implementing that You want Harley to change.


My question was not about the correctness of 811, and You know very well, that I do not agree with 811
and am - was open about this.

However I would defend the right of Darwinist to talk about evolution, and talk about it the way he/she does.


John You obviously not happy about current and past status quo.

Yopu are either on a mossion to change it (change Harley or kick him out) or You are on a mission to become perpetual unhappy whinger.

Kinda the typical marriage stuff, wife not happy with the husband, cant change him, would not diviorce him, but would keep whinging and establishing her higher moral rights to be perpetual whinger.

sorry I am not hug sender I am kick in the arse person
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« Reply #518 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

LOL...so now I'm a whinger? And an unhappy one at that?

I'm sorry you see it that way Rudy.

Tell ya what mate. If you're inclined PM me your phone number and I'll give you a call. I'll give you some verbal hugs and you can verbally kick my arse.

John

PS: I find your reply a bit "rich" in some regards Rudy...I mean, you've had the odd dummy spit and left here when you weren't happy about something....lol
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« Reply #519 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

John, stick with the issue.

You not happy about what Hraley is posting, yet You claimm You do not want him out of the forum and also that You do not want to change him.

You have not offered any workable option.

The rest of people here who are not happy with Harley at least openly acknowledge, that they want to change Harley, and some even goe as far as celebrating some changes with Harley and offering the changes facts.

since You are the only one who states - do not want to change him, I am asking You personaly, what is the 3rd option ?

Deal with the present do not drag past into this.


By the way, I am not taking the sides here, and I am not attached to the forum , feeling more like casual guest,
since I do not intend to be raw (= not eatong cooked) and not intend to be vegan (for many reason).

But as a bystander, I am surprize at the existence of this thread and about what is happening inside it.

Balance ? Harley is allowed on 3 threads, on how many threads You are allowed John ?
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« Reply #520 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

melb, you sound like the skin expert. id like to see a recent photo of you to show us your stuff. just as i boast about my athletic prowess etc and follow it with photos.. show us how its done. im always open to learning more from crew getting the results i desire.
So i sound like the skin expert? Sorry, I have no need to be the skin expert, I have need to be known on the internet on multiple message boards and collect followers.  I like to understand how things work, why things work like they do, I ask questions, I'm interested in opinions, differing opinions, I'm interested in a good discussion, someone asks 'which is better, juice or green smoothies?' I'll say the 'green smoothy hardliners say you need the roughage, the juice hardliners will say the roughage interferes with digestion.  Figure out what works for you, it might be both' Many people don't even realise there are the 2 extremes, they just go along with what they find first as the be all and end all, or they go along with it, find it doesn't work, go to the opposite extreme and dismiss their first choice, taking their second method as gospel, then that doesn't work and they clutch at something else, one day they will figure out what does work for them. If they are lucky they will recognise that what they used to do had some benefits, even if it is just to get them to where they can recognise what works for them now, and be open that it might not work for them next week, and it probably won't work for every other single person on the planet. Open to alternatives, accepting of the existence of other possibilities, not some narrow minded fundamentalist view.

As for skin, wrinkles are an indication of connective tissue breakdown, shouldn't be happening before 30, up to mid-late 20s, the body is producing it's own collagen, by 30 is it generally considered to have stopped unless you've got too much HGH.  How quickly what connective tissue in your skin breaks down after that point is up to your body.  Good connective tissue, expression wrinkles should be flattening out like folding a pillow it bounces back and you can't see where it was folded, deteriorating connective tissue, you crease the skin up, the crease stays there; eventually the connective tissue becomes so inefficient creasing the skin has nothing to do with it, the skin just start sagging and flapping.  Same thing happens throughout all the connective tissue in the body, it's just you can't see it, unless you've got MRI vision (note x-ray vision just doesn't show it clearly enough). These are all scientifically proven facts, and there are enough people getting wrinkles once they pass 30 for even empirical evidence to support the scientific fact. I'm over 30, so my skin isn't perfect. I've no need to post photos on the internet to enhance my skin expert guru reputation anyway since I'm not trying to be a skin expert guru. Sure I tell people to try jojoba for their skin, hardly anyone has heard of it and so they don't know how good it is, if they're tried everything else, it's another option to try, hardly means I'm trying to be a skin expert.

Show how it's done?  No need, you just have to be involved with cutting up a few dead bodies and you can relate wrinkled outside to wrinkled inside. After even just a 12 week anatomy course, most schools will let you go on a wet lab if you're interested, see how the body really works on the physical plane. The plasticised bodies and body parts are great to get a good understanding, but actual wet tissue takes it to the next level.
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« Reply #521 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

The rest of people here who are not happy with Harley at least openly acknowledge, that they want to change Harley, and some even goe as far as celebrating some changes with Harley and offering the changes facts.
I don't think Harley has changed, I think Harley has changed his approach.  I don't think John wants Harley to change who he is, just refine his approach a bit more. 

OK here is a link to
the old post in Tony Robbins jargon that seemed to get the point across, know your outcome, change your approach until you get the desired outcome
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The rest of people here who are not happy with Harley at least openly acknowledge, that they want to change Harley, and some even goe as far as celebrating some changes with Harley and offering the changes facts.
I don't think Harley has changed, I think Harley has changed his approach.  I don't think John wants Harley to change who he is, just refine his approach a bit more. 

OK here is a link to
the old post in Tony Robbins jargon that seemed to get the point across, know your outcome, change your approach until you get the desired outcome

Interesting that if you continue to read the rest of the thread Jennie proposed the solution of isolating Harley into two threads.  John then agreed and said:
"Perfect solution...now there is no room for anyone to complain and we can all move on."

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« Reply #523 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

I have a question Harley...What do you value most in your life?

Is it
- Love
- Contribution
- Respect
- Honesty
- Health
- Fitness
- Success
- Achievement
Or something else?
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« Reply #524 on: Friday 04 July, 2008 »

Thanks for the phone call Rudy....it was eye-opening and even challenging in many ways....a bit like...you know the truth when you hear it, because it resonates in your soul.

I have much to think about and consider.

Thanks for your time mate.



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