Yeah, you're right I have unrealistic expectations of the wider audience Harley could reach, but then Harley seems to have just as unrealistic expectations of what 99.99% of the population could reach.  Harley is lauded for expecting more from people, but expecting more from Harley is meaningless unless it is athletic achievements.  Got that message, Harley has to keep doing everything Harley already does because he strives to improve himself in the athletic arena and expects others to do so, expecting anything different from him outside of that arena is silly.




I'm not counting numbers on how many have left, on how many have given their popularity vote, on how many have not bothered making any opinion known, numbers are not important, I'm going on the generally acceptable level of communication in this online community. There are acceptable levels of communication within communities. Some communities you are meant to keep your clothes on, some communities you are meant to keep your clothes off but carry a towel around to sit on, some communities don't expect the towel or clothes, you go into the last two in full evening dress you're a total joke, you go to kfc in full evening dress people wonder what you've been doing and why you are so desperate to queue up in kfc, go to the opera in full evening dress and you are appropriately dressed.  How you talk is just the same as how you communicate, on the sidelines at a football game it's all overhyped high energy mode, it's appropriate, you will reach most of the audience.  Go into an old people's home in overhyped high energy mode and you'd be told to settle down or get out.  Go into some message boards in that mode will get you banned.  Is the problem the community accepting the behaviour, or the behaviour? Is full evening dress appropriate in a naturist environment where everyone else is undressed appropriately?  Is someone bringing kfc to a raw vegan potluck appropriate behaviour?  Sure someone should be allowed to do as they please and if kfc were on the table it would not be touched, but what about all those people that were offended by the kfc?  They thought that the community was a kfc-free zone.  Individual rights should be fought for, but not if they are so far from the community values, another community that is better suited to the individual's rights would be a better option for the individual. If the individual removed the kfc and didn't talk about how good the potatos and gravy was and tried to communicate on the same level as the community would more people be willing to accept or at least investigate what they said (away from the kfc topics)?

Another analogy, guys are allowed to have happy endings on massage tables in brothels posing as massage establishments, it's an appropriate method of communication, guys are not expected to have happy ending on a massage table at the chiropractor, if they do it's a sign they are fairly confused and/or there is some physical problem, guys are not expected to have happy ending in the middle of the children's playground while there are children there, it will hopefully result in some legal action.  Same behaviour, different communities, just because it is ok in the brothel does not mean it is ok out of the brothel, just because someone thinks it is ok doesn't mean that it is ok in every community. Just because it is ok to be overhyped on an athletic message board does not mean it is the most efficient way of communicating in all environments. The level of energy for communication in this online community is not overhyped mode, sure it could get ramped up a bit, and then a bit more and then a bit more, maybe it would end up overhyped, then it would scare almost all the newbies off. I don't expect Harley to tone down to totally match the general helpful level in here if he wants to reach more people, but if he does want to reach more people communicating closer to the community level is more effective, take off the evening clothes, the overhyped false self since so many say that's not Harley. It's recognition of the community values and customising delivery to those values. Expecting Harley to reach anyone other than the few that appreciate overhyped mode is unrealistic. 

Harley is preaching raw to a raw food message board and is considered overhyped, how will he be regarded beyond raw food fans and athletes? Another nut job to be disregarded and he has every right to stay as a nut job, expecting him to be taken seriously is beyond what he is capable of. Harley's destiny is to preach to the converted because to reach beyond that and be taken seriously would require change in his approach.  If Harley's happy with that limit, so be it.  I misguidedly expected more from him than raw food and athletic message boards and a few wins blustering I am vegan hear me raw.

Melb, I am sorry that I am responsible also for You being in this situation.

You are getting more and more judgmental and giving out such an superiority energy.

How can I help You to snap out of it ?

Do You prefer sufocating in loving hugs or You prefer kick in the arse and violent shaking up ?


By the way, there is a red light shining above the door to this thread, this is a sleazy erotic brothel massage parlour,
so take Your children out of here and show them proper playground.
I intend to get myself a happy ending here soon

Rudy I am confused? Are you saying that Melb is superior or offering this as an analogy?

Someone told me today that "if you win an argument with a fool all you end up with is two fools" Ouch. But I'm not calling anyone here fools. I am well and truly and  sadly aware that there are many people on this board with brain power superior to my own.

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Thanks for the clarification Rudy. But would this not suggest that we are all at the same level of thought and development? I mean I am a different person now to who I was three years ago. Heck, I'm changing from week to week and I've noticed a difference in others here as well.

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I'll miss you bananapeel! Please don't stay too long.

Ok, and I have to ask, which woman was the outdoorsy one?

I have a friend the same age as me and she said to me about 6 months ago... where are your wrinkles? She spent a lot of time doing hang gliding. But her hubby did too and his skin is amazing for his age...

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Actually, there was a few things in there that I think I needed to read so thank you for listening to your instincts and not deleting what you were not sure about.

I am not very articulate tonight Rudy. Please excuse my inability to be clear! I've been like it all day... unable to find the words to explain my very clear thoughts! Perhaps there is a reason for this also. Perhaps I need to be more at peace with my own internal dialog rather than asking other for confirmation.

This is neither here nor there though. Do you mind if I carry this chat on by pm you tomorrow. I think we could have a great and good conversation! I've often learned a lot from your brain.   

xoxoxo

Goodnight Rudester! Have sweet sweet dreams.

xoxo

Thank you! I did wonder. My friends hubby is darker. Just gorgeous skin. Oh! Check it out... I've gone green with envy! And his skin is probably more oily as well. her skin is very very dry.

Textbooks... my friend has a son who is becoming a doctor. I asked him what he thought about what he was learning at Uni. He said a lot of it is bollocks. He reads it to learn it to pass the exams so that he can become a qualified GP, so that when he studies Naturopathy, homeopathy, herbal medicine, among other things that people will go to him and get charged GP fees and be able to get medicare. He said that a lot of what he is learning is obviously driven by the pharmaceutical companies.

Interesting stuff!

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