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« on: Friday 16 May, 2008 »

Hi everyone

I'm thinking about getting a dog and am therefore researching my options on suitable dog food. I'd love to hear from anyone that has a vegetarian/vegan/raw vegan dog and what you feed him/her, how the transition phase was etc!

I've sped read all previous posts about doggie diets on this forum and there's plenty there on raw food but not so much on vego/vegan dogs, hence this post.

I feel very strongly about NOT FEEDING FLESH (meat or fish) to my dog so please bear that in mind and be respectful of such. I'm happy to use free-range eggs if deemed appropriate but would prefer not to use dairy for both health and ethical reasons. 

Veganpet food sounds good and I'd love to hear of any personal feedback about it. Also there are other vegan products on this link that sound good....

http://www.vnv.org.au/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=127&Itemid=61       

....again, I'd love to hear of anyone's personal experience on using them.

And Freedom, if you're around - I'm always happy to enjoy your great wisdom on such matters! :-)   

Thanks everyone and I hope you're all having a healthy happy and raw day with much love around you.

Lovespirit xx
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« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 May, 2008 »

These links look good:

http://www.peta.org/factsheet/files/FactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=34

http://www.vegetariandogs.com/VDWebsite/vd.htm

http://www.vegan.org/going_vegan/veggie_dogs/index.html

http://www.yummyfordogs.org/

http://www.v-dogfood.com/

http://celestialrawgoddess.tripod.com/id27.html

There are so many sites on the web dealing with vegan and vegetarian dogs, I was amazed.

I know you asked for personal experience, not links. However, you may get inspiration from these links.

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 May, 2008 »

Oh wow, thanks, I will have a look at them.
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 May, 2008 »

Hi LS, I have always fed Bella a raw flesh diet. And I felt it was the right thing to do for various reasons. When I read Ani Phyo's book though I started to change my mind. Her dog is amazingly healthy and good looking. She has recipes for raw dog snacks in her book. I loved her approach and it did start to change my mind.

Also I felt so guilty for supporting the meat industry every time I bought her food that I really had to rethink as guilt is a very weakening emotion and I would like to grow stronger thank you very much! LOL.

Last week I gave Bella green smoothie every morning for breakfast and at night avocado blended with various nuts and veges. She ate everything I gave her. When I switched her back to meat I noticed her behaviour change. She was more aggressive and whiney. I'd not noticed that before. Except when at a dog park. She was also less inclined to just sit and be patted.

Interesting experiment. I'm looking further into it and looking forward to not supporting the meat industry any more.

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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 May, 2008 »

Hi Love Spirit,

These are observations of canine friends of my human friends not completely direct experiences.

I was delighted to see that a friend's duo of doggies ate veggie scraps my friend chucked on the floor! She'll just throw any (raw) veggie scraps down instead of composting and they'll eat basically any of it! They are vegan and I have many other friends who feed dogs all vegan and they all thrive.

Lovely to see you here by the way! 
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 May, 2008 »

Yeah they love it! Bella eats anything raw just about and I gave her the compost bucket a few weeks ago and she sifted through and found what she liked. There wasn't a lot left!

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I support feeding pets a raw diet, but I also strongly support a biologically appropriate diet and consider it our humane and ethical responsibility as their carers to do right by our furry friends and family's biological needs.

Love Spirit, I hope you have done a great deal of research across a broad spectrum of sources and considered impartiality and bias.

If a vegan diet is not truly biologically appropriate to dogs, maybe you should consider a pet such as a rabbit or a hamster who are designed entirely for vegan diets.  These are lovely and intelligent companions who provide a lot of love to devoted owners.

I feel very strongly about this issue and so I had to chime in with my two cents. Obviously what you do is ultimately up to you, but whilst I think it's important for dogs to have lots of raw vegetables and fruit, I'm not convinced they're designed to be exclusively vegan...
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 May, 2008 »

Hi Raw Sensation and Jungle, thanks heaps for your responses :-)

Jen - I hadn't heard of that book before so thanks for the tip; I'll check it out. That's so cool that Bella loves a green smoothie, as well as nuts and avo. Avocado isn't good for horses; it's good to know that Bella enjoys it.   

Hey Jungle - you are a sweetie! Thanks for the happy vegan dogs stories; they are great to hear! :-)

I had the honour and pleasure of listening to biologist/zoologist Professor Marc Bekoff speak recently at Sydney Uni vet school. What an incredible man!!! If you truly love animals, I so highly recommend reading some of his books:  http://literati.net/Bekoff/  His writing is so beautiful I always cry. He is a deeply spiritual man who so clearly understands the interrelation between mankind, animals, the planet and spirituality.....soooo on my wavelength!!! :-) He did briefly touched on the topic of vegan dogs and cats, having been exposed to them for 30 odd years....so I know it's not unusual to have healthy and happy vegan pets but it's great to hear first hand (or second hand) experiences fron lovely Raw Pleasure people!

If anyone else can contribute similar stories , I'd love to hear them.  yahh

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 May, 2008 »

You're welcome! Her book is an uncooking book. Not much about the dogs but enough to get me going.

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PS Just a small aside....

I was wrapped devotedly around the neck of one of my horses today, smelling his divine scent, stroking his fluffy teddy-bear coat and lamenting to a friend that I couldn't take him home to bed with me to snuggle up to. My friend said

"That's what dogs were invented for".

Awwwwww. SO cute! :-)      
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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 18 May, 2008 »

Anyone who honestly believes that cats were meant to be vegan is ignoring biological fact just as anyone who honestly believes that humans were meant to be meat-eaters is ignoring biological fact.

I consider feeding cats a vegan diet to be highly irresponsible and I hope that anyone who considers a cat is prepared to feed them their biologically appropriate diet. That is my fervent wish to anyone reading this... please, please look at your animal's biology, do the research and really consider if you have their interests or yours at heart to make them vegan... if it's not biologically appropriate... if you just can't do it, please get a truly vegan animal instead.

Love Spirit, you can ignore me if you wish, but I nonetheless repeat my hope that you are truly considering your potential pet's health here...

Thats all I'll say on this as I feel so strongly about it I get teary-eyed just thinking about it. Incorrect nutrition is as much cruetly as beatings and starvation or a diet of exclusively commercial pet food. Bowing out.
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 18 May, 2008 »

Hi everyone

In case you haven't read from the top of this post.....and just so we don't lose the clearly explained intention of this thread:

***I would still love to hear from anyone that has a vegetarian/vegan/raw vegan dog
*** what you feed him/her
*** how the transition phase was (or if they were fed that way from birth)

.....whether they were your own personal experiences or those of family and friends.


Thanks a million!

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I have been feeding my dog vegan pet food (veganpet.com.au) for over 6 months.  He is now 18 months old and his first year was on a meat based dry food that my vet recommended.  We were very happy when we found a vegan alternative.  In the past month he started to experience diarrhoea.  The vet was quick to point the finger at his diet, even though he had no problems for 6 months.  Concerned for his health I took the advice of the vet and returned him to the meat diet along with medication that was provided.  The symptoms resolved very quickly but I suspect that had more to do with the medication.  He did however seem to have a return of the symptoms when we tried to reintroduce the vegan pet food.  I contacted the owner/maker and she was very helpful.  She thought it may have been a change in the yeast that she has used in her last batch.  I would be curious to know if anyone else has seen these problems in their dog or cat using this food.  A new batch is out next week so hopefully this will prove to be successful.  My dog is always full of life and friendly toward all other animals.
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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 18 May, 2008 »

I remember reading a book called "The toxicless diet" years ago which was by a guy called Paul Bragg. He fed his dog a vegan diet based on food combining for years. I am pretty sure that his dog died at 19 when it was attacked by a gang of dogs. But that was all really fresh healthy food.

Peebs, you know I love you, that doesn't need to be said, but I have a hard time reconciling feeding a dog a vegan diet with beatings! Unless of course the said dog is obviously ill and it is fixed by a change of diet but the owner chooses to keep the dog sick for the sake of it. That wouldn't be nice. I'd ask Ani for a photo of her dog but she doesn't answer emails. It seems no one from her office does!

I've read on the net of many a dog who was raised on a vegan diet and done really well.

Cats, I believe are a different matter. From what I have read, they truly do need nutrition from meat. Hmmmm.

I think this is getting away from the original post though which was asking for testimonials?

Perhaps if you answer me Peebs it should be by PM? I'm interested in what you have read.

Chilli, hello! Welcome. I am unsure of the brand you are using. Is it packaged? I've not looked at packaged dog food for a long time. Whether it's vegan or not I do believe that fresh is best. I do not advocate dried food for cats or dogs at all.

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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 18 May, 2008 »

Hi Chilli13 - that's really helpful to me.....and I hope you get resolution soon. I'd be very interested to hear what you surmise from this experience.

RS - Paul Bragg is a legend so I'm stoked that he had a vegan dog :-)

A close friend of mine suggested transitioning from meaty dried dog food to veganpet dried dog food - which kind of made sense to me. I like the idea of using a 'complete' dog food like veganpet......but I'd add heaps of fresh veggies too. In my mind that's a bit like using human dried superfoods mixed up with heaps of fresh stuff.

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