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This is not my article i found it on this website http://forums.longhaircommunity.com

The honey Article basics for those who want it
"Preferred Conditioner List
Note: This list is a guide. These hair conditioners have been reported to work well in the recipes.
Alberto V05 Champagne & Strawberries, Alberto V05 Honeydew Smoothie, Alberto V05 Kiwi Lime Squeeze, Alberto VO5 Sun Kissed Raspberry, Alberto V05 Vanilla Mint Tea, Citre Shine, Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Kiss My Face, Mane 'n Tail, Tigi Oatmeal & Honey.

Update: While researching, I found a website that led me to a better understanding of how to get honey to produce more peroxide, faster, in a honey lightening recipe - the 4 to 1 liquid to honey dilution. The dilution allows honey to produce its maximum amount of peroxide in only one hour.

This means that you use 4 times the amount of liquid to the amount of honey that you use in the recipe - conditioner counts as a liquid if it is runny in consistency and light as in the Preferred List of conditioners - oil does not.
You can add water to increase the dilution or just use more conditioner.

With this dilution - the honey lightening recipe only needs to be left on the hair for 1 hour.

A new booster has been reported to be very successful in honey lightening recipes - cinnamon. It is an irritant - caution is advised but with the 4 to 1 dilution and not over doing cinnamon amounts, it can be used with success.

Recipes and Methods

The Basic Recipe: 1 part honey, 2 parts conditioner
The Method: Mix and apply to freshly washed, wet hair, cover with a plastic bag or wrap or shower cap, and leave on the hair for 1-8 hours, rinse.
This recipe is recommended for virgin and colour-treated hair and can work on hennaed hair.

Variations

Colour-Treated Hair
The Recipe: 1/2 cup of equal parts of Alberto VO5 Honeydew Smoothie and Kiss My Face conditioners mixed together, 1 1/2 tablespoons honey
The Method: Mix and apply to wet hair as a shampoo, cover with a plastic bag or wrap or shower cap, and leave on the hair for 1 hour, rinse and apply the vinegar rinse.
The Vinegar Rinse: 1 teaspoon of white vinegar to 24 oz of water
Leave this on the hair for 30 seconds to 1 minute and rinse. It removes possible residue from the treatment and can be used with any of the recipes.
The timing and vinegar rinse made this recipe and method unique. The treatment needs to be done frequently and results can be gradual but it is more convenient and changed the timing for all of the recipes. Previously, 8 hours was the time that was thought to be necessary to leave a honey lightening treatment on the hair to achieve results.

Hennaed Hair
Other naturally occurring peroxide containing ingredients, added to the recipes, boosted the lightening effects of the honey treatments and breached what was referred to as the henna walls, layers of henna applications on hair.

Hair with Multiple Layers of Henna
These recipes have been slightly altered to remove additions that proved irrelevant to the recipes working.

1. The Recipe: 1 cup tomato (pasta) sauce, 1/2 cup honey, 1/2 cup extra virgin olive oil (EVOO)
The Method: Mix and apply to wet hair, cover with a plastic bag or wrap or shower cap, and leave on the hair for a minimum of 1 hour, rinse, shampoo and use a mild vinegar rinse to follow.
In this recipe, honey, tomato, and extra virgin olive oil all contain peroxide (References 3 and 4).
This was the first recipe reported to significantly lighten multiple layers of henna.
Update: While this recipe has been popular, Vitamin C containing ingredients, like tomato products are no longer being recommended. They deplete the peroxide value of the recipe and lightening results can take longer to achieve.

2. The Recipe: 25 grams amla powder, 15 grams cassia italica powder, 3 tablespoons honey (45 ml), 150 ml hibiscus tea
The Method: Mix and apply to wet hair, cover with a plastic bag or wrap or shower cap , and leave on the hair for a minimum of 1 hour, rinse, shampoo and condition if desired.
In this recipe, hibiscus tea adds extra peroxide (References 6 and 7).
Update: The Viamin C issue also applies to hibiscus tea.

3. The Recipe: equal parts of coconut cream, honey and silicone free conditioner
The Method: Mix and apply to wet hair, cover with a plastic bag or wrap or shower cap, and leave on the hair for a minimum of 1 hour, rinse, shampoo and condition if desired.
The conditioner can be left out of the recipe if desired, or a preferred conditioner is hard to obtain, and water added to ensure that there is enough moisture to dilute the honey.
In this recipe, the coconut cream provides a peroxide boost (References 8 and 9)."
Update: Coconut cream can be replaced with coconut oil, which has been reported to be just as successful but is easier to find.

I want to grow out my bleached hair so decided to go au naturel. A lady showed her photo from dark brown to light blonde and i was amazed, so im trying it today on myself. She used just honey and olive oil recipe. Apparently it takes a couple of weeks to acheive sort of colour so heres hoping i will never have to go back to chemicals.
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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 31 May, 2008 »

Is this tomato sauce raw or cooked?
and the Alberto V05 what kind of chemicals have and what about the Kiss My face conditioner?

 I have gone natural and I have my grey hair as my natural colour.

What I did I just stopped completely colouring my hair and now is totally au naturel no more spending money on hair colours.

I wash my hair with an organic shampoo  once a fornight and in between it is washed only with water.
Everyone is commenting on how good my hair is looking now and the grey hais suits my face.

I was reading about fasting by Arnold Ehret and he says that grey hair it means there is lot of toxicity.
If one does a fast a muculess fast as he calls it and then once the body is totally clean then the body is free of mucus and disease and the hair goes back to its normal colour.
I used to have this beautiful black colour. So it shows that I am not clean yet inside my body.
I want to amke a fast as he prescribes it. But I need to go to a quiet place.
I want one day to go to Costa Rica and do it with the Dc Graham.
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 June, 2008 »

Hi Patricia,

Nice to see you, lovely lady!
 
I dont have grey hair yet as im in late 20's xxx fingers lol. My mother is always dying her hair with chemcials and i keep telling her if she has to do it, to get health food store brands or henna. Anywho i saw that she looks better with grey hair herself and it suits her, should be embraced. I cant believe how beautiful the colour blonde comes out on grey hair aswell,so much better then if you were dark blonde.

This site the article was on is not raw so the ingredients listed were by those who arent all on natural products but somebody should go on there and give them a lesson on true au naturel lol. It says that you can use raw tomatoes and blend it. I would probably prefer to do that myself.

Anyway i tried it in my hair and my mother thinks there is a difference i dont. To acheive the best results every second day 6-8 hours leave on and wrap. I did however try it on my daughter as i thought what the heck it sonly honey and her hair lightened much quicker possible because hse still has young virgin hair. Her hair turned out more silky and beautiful strawberry colour.

Im going to try the coconut one later today to see how i go. Even though i dont see much difference as yet its giving my hair a more beautiful silky sheen. By the way i didnt use V05 i used my organic henna highlights conditioner. I try to use less of shampoo and conditioner, but my hair went from extremely dry to oily and flaky lately so am washing ti almost everyday now.

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 June, 2008 »

Ok i tried the coconut recipe, today. Again my mum thinks its gone a little red, i still dont notice the change, in fact it looks darker to me. But ill keep doing it and hopefully when the sun comes out when it stops raining ill see if it does anything. I love how shiny my hair looks.
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« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 June, 2008 »

I WILL TRY PUTTING COCONUT OIL ON MY HAIR AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 June, 2008 »

No problems. You will need to mix it with the honey as the coconut is a peroxide booster to the peroxide in honey.

Day 3. Coconut mixture. Will see how it turns out and report back.
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 June, 2008 »

OK just washed and dried my hair. It has gone little lighter and i must say it has gone little reddish/blondish. It is very natural and beautiful looking highlights. Its the colour i had as a kid. Your hair basically turns into child like colour and young again. My hair is also thicker today and very, very shiny and no flyaway hair, dryness or frizzy flaking like usual.

Basically in my mixture i used coconut milk, bit of coconut oil/butter and honey with a little ginger & cayenne to stimulate hair growth. I think the coconut brought on some thickness. I tehn dipped a towel in hot water wringed it and wrapped it around my head(little tip from youtube) This infuses hair growth and shine from the coconut.

I also tried the mixture(without ginger and cayenne) on my childs hair and her hair has gone blonder. Basically it works quicker on toddlers hair then it does on adult hair i guess.
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 11 June, 2008 »

I am the one who wrote that Article on the LHC forum and started the 4 Honey threads of which only 1 is current.

I am very flattered that you have reproduced some the material here.

However, you have mixed the old and the new together. That update was put into the last Honey thread which carried over from one website to another - they are owned by the same person. I now see where the mix up is.

The update was supposed to be a transition for people to follow the thread to the new, latest one.

The current recommendations for honey lightening do not include tomato products or any ingredients with Vitamin C.

To help you out I am going to post and link you to the newest Summary of recommendations that I completed not long ago. Within the post are links to further information and #13 has pictures from the thread of honey lightening results as well as a few pictures from previous honey threads.

The links do not work here - ok - if you go to the Long Hair Community and the boards for Recipes, Henna and Herbal Haircare,
- you will find Honey thread - this post will have you caught up to the latest goings on - unfortunately - you cannot access the Pictures Post from here.
Regards, ktani

 Honey thread

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Updated - These recommendations are based on accredited research and successful honey lightening reports in this thread.

A Comprehensive Summary of the newest honey lightening recommendations. Patch test any ingredient not previously used on the scalp or skin.

1. The 4 to 1 dilution is 4 parts water to 1 part honey. It is now the recommended dilution to be used for honey lightening. With this dilution, a treatment only needs to be left on the hair for 1 hour, because a honey will produce its maximum amount of peroxide in that time. According to reports posted in this thread, better results were achieved with the 4 to 1 dilution in 1 hour, than with repeated treatments using the old dilutions. Different honeys produce different levels of peroxide. Here is the Successful Honeys List - if one cannot be found - try a dark coloured honey blend - raw or pasteurized - both have been reported to work equally well. The minimum amount of honey to be used is 1/8th cup or 10 grams.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=856

2. The honey lightening boosters - ingredients that add extra peroxide to the recipes are; cardamom, cinnamon, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil.
Spices can be irritatiing - less is more with the 4 to 1 dilution - start with 1 tablespoon after patch testing - suggested maximum - 2 tablespoons.
Oils can be difficult to wash out of the hair - suggested amount - 1 tablespoon.

3. Herbal teas if used instead of just plain or distilled water - chamomile - Roman chamomile is preferable but it is possible that chamomile can add a gold tone to the hair. Mullein - leaves only not flowers - the leaves are not known to add colour.

4. Herbal tea that is used with honey lightening needs to be cooled first to room temperature before any other ingredients are added to it. Do not add spices to a recipe after you have applied the recipe to your hair - if any dry spice spills - you risk skin irritation - mix the spices into a recipe. The spices will blend better, mixed into herbal tea, when the honey is added first.

5. For blondes, lighter hair colours, and hair colours where one does not want the possibility of added colour, plain or distilled water is better IMO, than risking added colour by using a herbal tea.

6. Plain water used with honey lightening should be room temperature only. Distilled water can be used at room temperature only as well. Do not add spices to a recipe after you have applied the recipe to your hair - if any dry spice spills - you risk skin irritation - mix the spices into a recipe. The spices will blend better, mixed into water, when the honey is added first.

7. No external heat should be used with honey lightening - no blow dryers, sunlight. None of the recipe ingredients except herbal tea when it is brewed, should be heated at any time. Heat (except body heat) can destroy hydrogen peroxide by decomposing it to water and oxygen. It depends on the degree of heat and the amount of time that it is applied. Pasteurization does not destroy the enzyme in honey that produces peroxide.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=883

8. No ingredients with a Vitamin C content (except cardamom, which has the highest peroxide value for a spice and a low Vitamin C content) should be used in the recipes. Hydrogen peroxide oxidizes Vitamin C and is depleted in doing so. Here is the Vitamin C content of ingredients list.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=429

9. Conditioner is no longer recommended to be included in honey lightening recipes. Conditioner can contain ingredients that interfere with honey lightening and because of its water content (most conditioners are between 70 to 90 % water), if used as part of the 4 to 1 ratio, shorten the amount of water needed for optimal honey dilution. You can use conditioner only to wash out a honey lightening treatment, instead of using shampoo or just rinsing it out. If there is honey residue, shampoo and or a vinegar rinse is recommended and has been reported to easily resolve the problem.

10. The honey lightening recipes can be applied with a tint or blush brush for more control of placement.

11. Covering the hair during the 1 only hour needed for the treatments with plastic - a bag or wrap - is recommended to ensure the best results. This provides a constant moisture level, that allows the honey to produce peroxide uninterrupted. If the hair starts to dry - the honey slows its production of peroxide and it will stop producing peroxide altogether, if the hair dries completely. Misting the hair without the use of plastic is an option, provided that the hair is kept wet at all times during the treatment. Honey only produces peroxide when diluted and kept wet. The treatments can be left on the hair longer than 1 hour, if so desired. You can also let a recipe sit for 1 hour before applying it - to allow the honey to produce its maximum peroxide value.

12. Honey lightening has not been reported to damage hair even after repeated use, over long periods of time. What has been reported occassionally is dry hair and crunchy ends. That is a honey residue result, that can easily be resolved by shampooing and or a vinegar rinse. The effects are temporary when shampoo and or vinegar are used. Some honeys produce less residue than others. More on honey lightening, and research on the protective mechanisims in honey lightening recipe ingredients, can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1035

13. This is the updated Pictures Post of some past and current Honey thread, honey lightening results.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1095
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=143352&postcount=1164
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 11 June, 2008 »

While I am here, does anyone know where Jarrah honey can be purchased in Tasmania?
I know that most of the Jarrah honey "crop" was wiped out by drought affecting the Jarrah forest this year and that a new "crop" is expected and hoped for by your winter.

I recommended Jarrah honey to an LHC member from Tasmania - Jarrah honey has a high peroxide value.

Any help would be appreciated.

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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 12 June, 2008 »

HI Ktani wow i just stumbled across that forum and did not know there were many raw foodists on there im stoked. I was posting it in a hurry and did mention i got it from that forum sorry if i wasnt allowed to reproduce it here. Thankyou so much for the update. I realised after that two websites were tied in.

What do you think about cassia and honey? Many people have exclaimed that it was good. Anyhow i tried the cinnamon and honey one yesterday and it has worked a treat in highlighting.

The reason i posted this one was because someone on here months ago wanted to know of natural ways lightening hair. Thankyou for coming on and sharing your information cheers!
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 12 June, 2008 »

You are most welcome.

I am not entirely sure if I somehow violated copyright by posting my own post in entirety - I am waiting to hear back on that one - it gets confusing - what I do on LHC is post pieces of text  in quotations - not complete text and post the link.

I may have to edit here.

Honey lightening and cassia.

They can be combined - however cassia is tricky - the pigment in it is acid sensitive.

The way to use cassia in a honey lightening recipe is this.

Use the 4 to 1 dilution - 4 parts water to 1 part honey. You can add cinnamom and extra virgin olive oil if you like.

Premix the cassia with water only just before adding it to the water honey mixture -  do not let the cassia sit for dye release and do not add an acid to it like orange juice - separately.

Also remember that it is a honey lightening treatment with cassia - not a cassia treatment with honey - so use less cassia than you normally might.

If you go to the Honey thread and look at pg 1117 - I have the Pictures Post there too - you will see in the links what can happen with cassia when it was used in between honey lightening - undiluted honey was added to a cassia treatment after dye release for one hour - it had been premixed with orange juice - it turned honey lightened blonde hair reddish/gold.
See firebird's results - her latest cassia recipe - her results are under "On blonde hair"

Once I researched cassia and understood the acidity connection - I suggested combining the cassia and honey lightening without extra acidity - orange juice - Vitamin C and honey lightening do not go together anyway - but in this case it was primarily about the acidity factor and cassia and it lightened the darkened cassia result.

Cassia can yield different colours - yellow, gold, red tones - in response to different acid solutions.


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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 12 June, 2008 »

I just updated the recommendations I posted here.

Rather than post the change, I will just restate it here.

Distilled water is the water recommended to be used in testing a honey for its peroxide value.

Hydrogen peroxide can decompose when in contact with certain minerals.

Depending on the mineral content of plain water - that could be a problem for honey lightening.

I therefore now recommend using distilled water for honey lightening recipes.
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« Reply #12 on: Thursday 12 June, 2008 »

I did hear back - apparently I have the copyright to my posts.

I therefore give you permission to quote them here - provided that you say where you got them from as you did - it was fine.

I will be happy to help out here - as I do on LHC.

I have and continue to do a lot of honey research - however my recommendations are based on the accredited reseach I find - I do not do the research myself - and the reports in the Honey thread.

I do not use honey lightening on my hair - I have used it to lighten freckles a bit on my hands.

Even if I did use it on my hair - I cover my grey/white streaks and condition my hair with catnip tea - lightening it would be counter productive to that and my scalp is sensitive to honey - an irony - my results would just be that - my results.

There is a Catnip for Split Ends thread on LHC - based on my posting that catnip tea for me - used with shampoo as my ony hair care routine for the past 2 almost 3 years, has strengthened my hair - I no longer get split ends and have very little breakage - and catnip yields a light yellow dye.
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 12 June, 2008 »

I did hear back - apparently I have the copright to my posts.

I therefore give you permission to quote them here - provided that you say where you got them from as you did - it was fine.

I will be happy to help out here - as I do on LHC.

I have and continue to do a lot of honey research - however my recommendations are based on the accredited reseach I find - I do not do the research myself - and the reports in the Honey thread.

I do not use honey lightening on my hair - I have used it to lighten freckles a bit on my hands.

Even if I did use it on my hair - I cover my grey/white streaks and condition it with catnip tea - lightening it would be counter productive to that  - and my scalp is sensitive to honey - an irony - my results would just be that - my results.

There is a Catnip for Split Ends thread on LHC - based on my posting that catnip tea for me - used with shampoo as my ony hair care routine for the past 2 almost 3 years, has strengthened my hair - I no longer get split ends and very little breakage - and catnip yields a light yellow dye.
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 24 June, 2008 »

Hi Ktani thankyou very much for this and your update on allowing to post on here.
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