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« Reply #15 on: Saturday 12 July, 2008 »

Jen...can I take the gloves off with you....just for a moment...(and punch you with love he he).

I take a deep breath and meditate for a lil while before I say this Jen....then I shall type...

This is what comes to me (you be the judge):



You are too hard on yourself.....you expect so much from yourself...you beat yourself up....you are comfortable within the very turmoil that causes you pain and distress.

You are courageous and fearfull all at one moment.

You scatter yourself and your energies...it's almost deliberate.

You know deep down if you focused yourself....(you can answer that Jen)...

You know what just "came" to me then Jen....I had to break off from that meditation....because YOU already know...you know....

Now I know...that you know......lol

Grow the know Jen.

Grow the know.

John

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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 12 July, 2008 »

Jacki

simple answer would be, it is OK to push it away and deal with it other time, but it realy needs to dealt with, so not pushing it away for year and years.


However if the old memory - the old emotion comes to the attention, it usualy means, that subconsiouss thinks,
it is as good time as any to solve it, the subconsious is usually right, it knows how and when to pick those moments


Jennie I have feeling, that You trying to avoid the resolutions...


also I doubt You had real TLT session from Your description...


Here is the simple test, If the negative emotion keps comming back, it means the issue was not solved was not learned.


If the complete learning was done, the memory would either never come back, or would come back only as a neutral or sometimes even positive emotions.


So ask Yourself Jennie, do You know exactly, why You needed to have a cow for a mother ?

When You get the full learning and reasons, than You will never ever remeber Your mum with negative emotions conected and would be greatfull for having her as mum...

It is basicaly the decision of the free will _ do I wanna that person from the past be my lifelong enemy ? and I am deciding to keep the fear, anger, hatereat etc...


or do I decide today that I do not want this person as enemy and am not afraid to feel love and appreciation for the rest of my life.

In case of the positive switch, teh person needs to be carefull not to fall into guilt trap - not to feel guilty about hating that operson till now etc or being so late with switching to love etc.
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« Reply #17 on: Sunday 13 July, 2008 »

So Rudolf, is it only when the memory also brings a negative emotion with it that we need to deal with it?  When we have a memory come up that also brings with it a positive or neutral emotion, then we can choose to return our attention to the present moment without negative consequences??

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« Reply #18 on: Sunday 13 July, 2008 »

yes Jacki, the issue is allways the negative emotions, that creeates physical, mental, emotional blocks etc...

If You have pleasant positive memories, that of course You simply enjoy them, and if You too busy to enjoy happy memories, than of course You can choose to do something else instead, but why would You ?
simply enjoy
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« Reply #19 on: Monday 14 July, 2008 »

I feel like I've been holding the glass of water forever. My arm is going to drop off! LOL. Perhaps this means that I am coming closer to something big. That will force me to let go. Now I've had that thought, I'm terrified! Petrified as well that I'll create it. Must do some strong affirming for peace... gosh.
That says you don't want to let go, you will only let go if forced, and if you are forced, you'll probably pick it up again as soon as no-one is looking because you don't want to let it go.  Not wanting to let go is not a good place to do affirmations from.

Choice - there are 2 long term options - hold on or let go. In the short term, if you're not ready to let go, you can at least adjust your grip so it's not quite so uncomfortable.  You can make things difficult, fight whatever doesn't match what you're expecting, or if it is just what you expect; or you can hold it more comfortably, begin to appreciate all the benefits holding onto it has brought you, and you might be ready to adjust the grip a bit more, and eventually you're not holding it.  Things don't HAVE to be a breakthrough, they can be a gradual realisation, a soft Aha! moment, turning the light up a bit brighter, getting the focus a bit clearer, seeing everything else around it that is related, shift the grip, shift the focus. If you still need to have it at eye level almost covering your entire field of vision, at least put it up on a pedestal so you can give your arms a rest! Then you might be able to step back from it a bit further Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: Monday 14 July, 2008 »

You are too hard on yourself.....you expect so much from yourself...you beat yourself up....you are comfortable within the very turmoil that causes you pain and distress.

Funnily enough, since you wrote this, two others have told me the self same thing. Hmmmmm. Yes I am hard on myself. But not as hard as I used to be. I'm getting better.

Yes to focus is key. If I could focus on forgiving, moving on, letting go... who knows?

Rudy, I'm not at all sure I agree, or disagree actually. I'm having a hard time grasping the concept. To let go, we must first understand exactly why we are hanging on, only then can we let go. However some of these things could be choices I've made several lifetimes ago. That can be fixed with meditation or TLT.

The ability to focus comes to play again! A disciplined mind is a happy mind! Perhaps or perhaps no.

Melb I had to think about your post and still am! I understand what you are saying. Look at things from a perspective that brings gratitude. If I must hang on then make it easier on myself. Which goes back to my reply to John, be easier to myself.

I often feel that I have been pushed or forced into many areas of life. The raw path for example. Several times I came across raw until I finally had to eat that way (because my body would not accept other foods), kids, I never planned to have them. I feel like emotionally I was not balanced enough to have children and not giving enough of myself to have children. Both of mine were what we call happy accidents' when tact is needed and 'the results of too much alcohol and not enough rubber' when tact is not needed.

Yes I know there are ways I could have not had children but I couldn't bring myself to do that with these two. But I really do feel like I was pushed to have them and at a certain time too. According to the medical community there is no way known I could fall preggers at that time of my cycle. Ha!

Perhaps it is my habit to not take action until I am forced. I need to make a new agreement with myself. To go with the flow! To strive to move forward. I don't know. Perhaps a combination of meditation and affirming what I just said would make it easier to do what Rudy suggests?

I know, only I know but I find out so much quicker with help!

Thanks for posting and thanks John for the 'love punch'! LOL

xoxoxo
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« Reply #21 on: Monday 14 July, 2008 »

Jen....really....if you look at it....everyone who has replied to this thread has pretty much said the same thing.

Different words.

Different perspectives.

Different experiences.

Different angles.

Same things.

Draw a circle....in the middle place a dot....360 Degrees....360 views....all looking at the same dot.

John
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« Reply #22 on: Monday 14 July, 2008 »

Yeah, it's the same dot! She just needs to figure out which view/approach works for her  laugh  It's all rephrasing the same dot.


market research shows it takes 3 forms of communication before someone really will take action (eg one letter box drop is no use at all; 3 letter box drops is better; one letter box drop, one radio/tv spot, one magazine ad, all saying the same thing 'buy me!!!' but it takes the layers to make the impact.
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« Reply #23 on: Monday 14 July, 2008 »

Hmmmm....yes and no Melb....lol.

If I'm not in the market for the product one million letterbox drops will end up in the bin.

If I'm in the market one might just do it.

;-)

But yeah....it's the same dot....and one day we all have to deal with that dot.

Sometimes....ya (anyone) has to stop running around looking for answers and motivation from others and confront the dot. At the end of the day any personal development or motivational speaker or guru or whatever can only ever do (and be) one thing for any of us...a signpost.

The dot awaits....and it can only ultimately be approached alone.

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« Reply #24 on: Monday 14 July, 2008 »

Hey Jen,

I'm not sure if this will be of any help, but it is along the lines of some of the other posts but I know this way of thinking about it has helped me in the past.

I have a very difficult family, and quite often they say things that are negative and hurtful, and generally I hold on and hold on to those negative hurtful things and they can spiral out of control in my head until it is such a big deal.

So, I do 2 things.

At the time, if someone says something that is hurtful, that hurts me, call them on it, right then.  Not agressively.  A simple, that was hurtful, I don't feel it was nice, I'm a sensitive person and that doesn't "mesh" with me.  Generally what I find is that saying it right then means that you have little to hold on to, most people won't push you when you are upfront and honest about where you are at.

The second is to remember that everyone else is on their own life journey, not on yours, they have their own agendas and their own lessons to learn.  So sometimes the things they say and do will not be a reflection of you but rather where they are at.  Also try to be mindful about where they are coming from, sometimes we can get so wrapped up in our hurt that we forget theirs, on the other hand sometimes people can just be right proper twats...

I know that this is probably a less philosophical and more simple response than the others, and it may not help at all.  But I'm new here, and I've read so many posts from you and you are so sweet and kind and seem to have the biggest heart that I just want you to nurture it. 

J
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« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 15 July, 2008 »

Streamline116,

that is very good, it is great defence strategy, and should be used by every adult.
That is to stop any new damage.

However (there is always however if there is no but, 2 most important english words)

the damage from past lives and from childhood is already there, and I think, that is what Jennie is adressing ?
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« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 15 July, 2008 »

Jennie, as far as my experience, it's been amazing to observe how powerful seeing the issue can be. Seeing has helped me to overcome a number of various things. These are very personal issues, probably not appropriate for me to discuss them on a general forum, and very hard for me to get into any meaningful details too, so let me just say that one of those was being manipulated by a parent, and another being brought up in a society where hitting kids was a norm. I am free of both! laugh

When I am completely in the moment, completely aware, completely observing the in and out, see what is, then letting go occurs. Like during meditation, when the thoughts arrive, I acknowledge them, see them, completely and fully, and lthen et them go. Aaaa....

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« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 16 July, 2008 »

OK so lets get more practical :

Jennie here is teh homework, pick the issue which is bugging YOu all teh time, take a clean list of paper, devide in 2 equal parts and start writing :

on 1 side, all the reason - what will improve how You would benefit what You will gain, by letting this issue go and dissapearing from Your life for ever

on the other side write down all the reason why You need to keep it, what You would loose if You let go, for are the negatives of letting it go.
write whatever comes to mind, and keep doing it for few days, sometimes YOuw wil get reason in sleep while doinmg the dishes exercising etc, Do not stop if the paper is full start another...

keep it for Yourselves, I am not asking You to come public with it.
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« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 16 July, 2008 »

Ok, Gosia thank you for your post and Streamline too. In fact thank you to everyone for their posts. I was chatting to John today, splash!, and on the phone admitted that I am reading all this, can tell it's in English but the posts are scrambled by the time they get to my brain where I make sense of it all.

So I'm just going to go over this thread again for the next day or two or three until I get it.

Rudy, I understand this last bit. Will do!

xoxoxo
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« Reply #29 on: Monday 28 July, 2008 »

You scatter yourself and your energies...it's almost deliberate.

Hey John, this has been playing over and over in my mind. Then I read almost the exact words in my Florence book and something similar in Yogananda's book. Hmmm... I've been keeping to myself more lately so far as 'problems' go and am finding a surge in confidence.

It's nice! Thank you.

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