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« on: Tuesday 15 July, 2008 »

Firstly, just wanna thank Jennie for providing me with the inspiration (after reading your thread "I'm Running") to start running!

A few weeks ago I had the urge to start running/jogging instead of the usual walking that I have always enjoyed.  So I have been reading a bit about Chi Running and also barefoot running, both which make sense to me.

After reading some of Rudolf's posts (in another forum I think) about Aquasocks being one of the closest things to barefoot running but still protecting the foot from cuts, etc., I decided to get a pair of Aquasocks and have been walking and jogging in these and slowly increasing the amount of time I am jogging for in my 1/2 hour walk...doing a few 1-2 minute spurts of jogging during my walks.

During these spurts of jogging, it has been an effort for me to jog for about 2 minutes before returning to a walk.  But one day last week, I comfortably jogged for about 10 minutes.  It was also a great feeling when I stopped jogging and walked again, it felt like I was walking on clouds.  But a couple of days later when I tried jogging again my ankles were sore and I didn't feel comfortable jogging at all so I just walked which didn't cause me any pain or discomfort.

I have given myself a break from the jogging since then while we have had visitors staying and I returned to it this afternoon but my ankles are still sore the minute I start jogging.  I comfortably walked for over an hour without any pain or discomfort, only when I attempted to jog they were sore.

I would appreciate any suggestions and/or advice as I have only just discovered the joy in this form of exercise and I am really wanting to return to it.

I am feeling like I have done too much too soon for where my body is at and maybe a longer break from the jogging is what is needed and then a slower return to the jogging.  But I don't want that to be the case...jogging has only been part of my life for a few weeks but I am really missing it!  (My goodness, what sort of drug is that?!)

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Jacki
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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 16 July, 2008 »

Jacki I would need to see You running to be able to comment.

however the running intervals between walks should be slow - the same slow speed as is the walking,
so if somebody walks with You that person wouild not notice that You are doing some running in between.


You need to soft land on the ballfront or and on the whole foot but topuching with teh fron first, not slamming the heels to teh ground.

are teh ankles strong and are they flexible ?

how about to get some flipper and do kickboard session up and down teh pool - using both freestyle and backstroke kicks - could Your ankles handle it ? if not that would be great strenghtening activity.

are the ankles flexible and strong sideways, can You keep balance easy standing on 1 leg without pain in the side tendons ?

Can You wash the dishes standing on 1 leg and not loosing the balance (keep swithcing the legs at regular intervals of course ).

Personaly I used to have very week ankles - teh whole feet structure, the tiny joints, bones and tendons,
and am only now building it back, the main issue is was lack of minerals in my body, and it is one of the reason I am not raw, since I need to digest volume and variety of vegs (minerals are not destroyed by heat)...

I also do barefoot minitrampoline running, in a way similar to sprint drills, inddor in front of the TV, lately as part of the wii fit running the running island.
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« Reply #2 on: Friday 18 July, 2008 »

Thanks for your informative reply Rudy.

Yes, maybe I need to work on strenthening my ankles.  I am currently sending out to the universe my desire for a mini tramp and I patiently wait for its manifestation (my partner saw one down at the local rubbish tip shop, need to check it out).  Not that I think I will get much opportunity to get on it...my daughter uses any bouncy like surface as a trampoline at the moment so to have an actual trampoline!  And my son has even made a trampoline for his teddy bear out of a box and a piece of fabric.

I have never had problems with my ankles...they are flexible and I have very good balance when standing on one leg (eg, yoga tree pose).  Just weak maybe...

The running tips are helpful...I have just re-read some info on the Chi running style and also from what you have suggested, I think my strides are too long.  I find it impossible to place heal first when jogging barefoot/in aquasocks...and as a former dancer, I find it fairly easy to tread lightly using the ball of the foot.

I have noticed that my ankles also hurt with any impact type action (eg, walking down stairs if I drop to the next step rather than using my leg muscles to control the movement, when jumping, etc.)

I am feeling rather frustrated about it as I really wanted to go out tonight for a jog but am finding it too uncomfortable to do so.  I had the opportunity this afternoon to go out for a walk but just didn't have the same motivation...I never believed it possible for me, but I am finding this running stuff truly addictive!!

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« Reply #3 on: Friday 18 July, 2008 »

Jackie,


when considering any spec prob with body part during activity, the holisctic approach is needed, the whole chain of action needs to be looked at.


There are studies showing, that maybe 90% of probs with lower leg - achiles aaaaankles etc during running is caused by week muscles somewhere in the lower core - glutes, lower back, lower abs and various stabilizing muscles running accross between hips, groin etc, also the week quads or hams could be teh culprit.


So if any of those are not able to perform , that the running style changes to the uncontrolled slamming of the foot to the ground.


Whe gtradual buildup is mentioned that is usualy because if thosese muscles are weak, they could hold on for minutes and when become tired they become stif and uncontrolable and so teh prob styarts,, so thye are runners who tell You they can run for 20 minutes of 90 minutes or in some km distance, but above that the pain - injury comes, and it also works with weekly kms, since those muscles can recover after 1-3 days and produce some work later.


when I said do some leg fin kicks up and down the pool , that would also test lower back and abs, glutes hams and bottom of the quads- holding the lnees.


sometimes it get even more complicated, when I study the proper racewalking technique, often I come accross the situation when the wrong action of the arms, moves the shoulder the wrong way, which buggers the shoulders vs hips rotation and stability and from there it goes down the leg sometimes causing injuries sometimes just the bad performence and often DQ by breaking the rules, or if  not the arms, the position of the neck - how we hold the head, which can start with the way we use the eyes - look down or in front, or how we look sideways etc.


as for the long stride - for the beggining with chi or pose etc, what is said is that You need to place the foot under You, not in fron of You, and than later to extend teh stride - You keep pushing the back leg behind You - holding it back longer and pushing off it, but still not reaching in front with the front leg, this is again initiated from teh core
and teh proper core - upper body posture is deciding.


You need to let somebody who knows to look at You, otr take pics from side position as TYou run and post it here, if You in Melb I can have a look.


alll the best

Rudolf
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« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 July, 2008 »

There are studies showing, that maybe 90% of probs with lower leg - achiles aaaaankles etc during running is caused by week muscles somewhere in the lower core

Thats interesting Rudy...my core strength is quite weak.

as for the long stride - for the beggining with chi or pose etc, what is said is that You need to place the foot under You, not in fron of You, and than later to extend teh stride - You keep pushing the back leg behind You - holding it back longer and pushing off it, but still not reaching in front with the front leg, this is again initiated from teh core
and teh proper core - upper body posture is deciding.

I had watched a short Chi Running vid on You Tube recently and I sorta understand what you are saying here.  I gave it a go when I went out for a walk last night.  When I broke into a run I did similar to what you are saying here and it felt quite different to how I have been running previously.  It felt like I had no choice but to keep running because my centre of gravity was in front of my feet so my feet had to keep going otherwise I would fall flat on my face!  My legs felt like were going a million miles an hour taking such short strides and I actually found it quite tiring the short spell that I did.

You need to let somebody who knows to look at You, otr take pics from side position as TYou run and post it here, if You in Melb I can have a look.

Thanks Rudy for your informative replies.  This suggestion may be easier said than done but I will attempt to take some photos for some further advice. Thanks for the offer.

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 21 July, 2008 »

Jacki well done on teh progress.

if the speed You run is tireing - too fast for legs to keep up, than slow down by leaning less.

The amount of lean forward is basicaly teh speed regulator.


You need to lean from the ankles, not from the hips,


this means You are NOT bending in teh waist to stick teh chest, shopulders or face to teh front, but instead You keep the upper body straight up and push forward teh hips.


I will use teh language which will hopefuly stick in Your head while running and make it easy to remeber :


face teh wall (preferable with the mirror from the side) step back about 1-2 feet.

place teh hands on teh wall in fron of You.


Now keep the feet on teh fl;oor where they are, and lean teh body to teh wall, by bending teh elbows - kinda standing pushup.

If You touch the wal with the face - forehead or nose - that wrong, if You touch teh wall with shoulders or chest, thats wrong.

Here comes teh nonforgetable language :

Touch the wall with Your fury pleasure spot first , belly button second, and only let the milky points touch thiord, and the face still not touching the wall. Check Yourself in the side mirror.


That how You should run, hips first, teh back straight up.

so the leaning goes from ankles.


This can cause intitial probs, if ankles not flexibel, if calves, achilles tio short, if plantar is stiff, also if some of the hip area tendons and muscles are short or weak, sometimes its hams to protest.
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 July, 2008 »

Here comes teh nonforgetable language :

Touch the wall with Your fury pleasure spot first , belly button second, and only let the milky points touch thiord, and the face still not touching the wall. Check Yourself in the side mirror.

That how You should run, hips first, teh back straight up.

 rofl I look forward to trying this out, mainly so I can have another chuckle at your description!

Thanks Rudy.  laugh
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 12 August, 2008 »

lmao
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 August, 2008 »

A few weeks ago I had the urge to start running / jogging

Wow I got the same urge too. Thought it was most odd.

I have just got to buy myself a decent pair of running shoes and a decent sports bra first.

And then I will be well-away.


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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 13 August, 2008 »

KittyK - I normally get around with those singlets that have the hidden support underneath and I have never really been bothered by the fact that I ocassionally have to return the straps to my shoulders....until I have started running!  Now they are driving me crazy constantly falling off my shoulders!!

On a different note, I have had the chance to read through the Chi Running book and am no longer having any problems with my ankles whatsoever.  Yayyy

Thanks Rudy, your replies were very helpful.
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 13 August, 2008 »

Here comes teh nonforgetable language :

Touch the wall with Your fury pleasure spot first , belly button second, and only let the milky points touch thiord, and the face still not touching the wall. Check Yourself in the side mirror.

Oh that's so damned funny!!! I'll have to send that to JR...

I've found that by wearing two different styles of bras I've managed to minimise the bouncing of my 'milky points'. LOL.

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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 14 August, 2008 »

i believe the urge to run comes when we are feeling so damn good....its a feeling of 'i want to fly,i want to run...'
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