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Hi everyone, I'm new here and come full of questions. So basically my motivation for going raw initially was to get rid of candida. So I read about 80/10/10 and figured it seems easy enough and it's relatively cheap considering all the herbs, and remedies talked about on the internet. Been doing 80/10/10 for basically 2 months now. I however did have cooked food occasionally, such as potatoes, and other steamed veggies. My candida related problems, mainly being skin issues (acne, keratosis pilaris) didn't really improve but didn't get worse. I also noticed that the white coating on my tounge never went away. I'd brush it off and it would come back the next day even worse. Recently I had lentil soup full of veggies and my face exploded and I got weird misquito like bumps on my arms. They didn't itch they just looked like misquito bites.

So basically could this be a sign of die off? Should I be avoiding cooked foods all together while on 811? It is discouraging because I have read posts on this site stating how easy it is to get rid of candida and that it could be done within weeks. By all means I'm not going to give up a plant based diet. I've read the China study, Eat to Live, and various articles by Dr. Graham. It all makes sense. I have many more questions but I will ask them later. Thanks for the advice.
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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 July, 2008 »

i read of stories of people doing detox for one year (on a clean raw diet) before getting rid of acne and other skin disorders...

the healing unfolding can vary in different (and deeper-complex) aspects as we often think...

whats your cooked background - how clean are you , since how long are you on RAW , more than 2 months on 811?

our body-mind-spirit complex is an important factor we have to take in consideration also...

in our emotional and mental structure there are things that have to be un-locked when we start a Healing Process like the you describe...

So listen and trust your Inner Guidance (and Higher Self) , ask Guidance as you did here , and keep following the Programm that suits you for best in the situation you are....

Also focus on the positive aspects of your new-begun journey and make affirmations of Health...

How is your candida and generall wellbeing? how do you feel ? (i mean inside your stomach ? not what appears on the surface as a sign of detox)

if the acne is the problem but your generall wellbeing is OK (speak the candida inside) , keep going on the track you are...

Otherwise integrate other and new aspects you may need (i dont know any but theres people here who know about RGG , Harley , Jim ++ others ) and see how your going...

Have fun over all!

IV

 
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 July, 2008 »

I also had candida (which I had been fighting for ages) when first going raw. Mainly digestive problems. I believe I have pretty much kicked it. Though there are some foods I just can't eat like nuts.

Yes, if you really want to get rid of the candida, you the best is probably to go completely off cooked, especially any fats, and starchy stuff like potatoes, which converts to sugar anyway. Any fats will mean the sugar in your bloodstream from fruit etc cannot be quickly absorbed, giving the candida time to munch. That is why the conventional candida diet is no fruit. I know, however, that I felt completely miserable, and saw no candida improvement from staying away from fruits. And I feel very happy with fruits.

I believe the easiest and quickest way to get rid of it is to only eat one kind of fruit for a week, and nothing else. I believe some people on this forum had success eating only mangoes for a week, right?
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 20 July, 2008 »

Well before I started 80/10/10 I was eating like crap, lots of processed foods, candy, meat, dairy, and very few vegetables and fruit. However I feel good doing 811. I've only been raw for close to 3 months, with a few slip ups here and there, but a huge difference to my previous diet. I havent been eating any fats that I know of, just fruits and veggies. Though like I said I did have lentil soup with tomatoes, celery, mushrooms, potatoes, onions, and garlic. Not sure if mushrooms have much fat in them.

So if I were to approach this again 1 week of banana's would be sufficient? When I consume greens I usually blend them with other fruits, instead of having to make a big salad (time consuming) do you guys recommend this? Also how do you approach your friends and family with this diet, my friends life style is the party life style which I've never really felt comfortable with, and my family thinks im crazy and not getting enough protein. They think I'm destroying my health. I'm trying to get them to read the China Study to hopefully make them understand and atleast be supportive. My biggest thing is the social aspect of it all, how did you guys handle it? If only I had someone to do it with. I haven't read 811, do you guys recommend ordering a copy? Well thanks for your time.
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 20 July, 2008 »

Wow! That's an amazing transformation! Well done!

Yes, the social is hard, and I can imagine if you have people around you who live a very different lifestyle it is much harder. Fortunately most of my friends and family are pretty clued in, so that helps a lot. The hardest remains dinner parties and restaurants. I usually try and order a huge salad if eating out. Sometimes I slip up too though. But the main thing is not to beat yourself up about it after. The way my body feels is usually punishment enough, without my brain giving me a hard time too.

I would definitely recommend the 80/10/10 book. Reading it helped a lot. Not to say it isn't still hard. I sometimes treat myself to gormet raw, but afterwards I feel so physically terrible, that it isn't a treat at all. Often a low fat cooked vegan asian meal will have much less consequences for me than a high fat raw meal. But I guess we are all different. Maybe that's just my body being sensitive to nuts.

I usually eat mainly mono meals during the day (e.g. only oranges for breakfast, only bananas and lettuce for lunch) and then a salad or dip with celery etc. for dinner. I never ate one type of fruit for a whole week straight, so maybe someone else who did can advise you. I would say that a week of green smoothies might do the trick as well. I think the main idea is that if you eat only one kind of fruit (maybe with greens) your body can digest easier, and therefore has a chance to deal with the candida.
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 20 July, 2008 »

I've been told by my chiropractor/nutritionist that candida thrives on malnutrition and this only needs to be slight. 
I have also struggled with candida (showing up as Exzema) although i don't have much coating of the tongue or anything like that in the morning.  In my case i'm told that the lead toxicity which is in my body was also causing the candida, since lead toxicity results in enzymes being killed off and hence malabsoprtion and hence a vicious cycle.  In addition to the 80/10/10, it might be worthwhile getting a hair analysis done which would tell you whether you have any heavy metal toxicity or other issues that may need addressing. 

While i truly enjoy a 80/10/10 type raw diet, I think the social/ family aspect is the greatest challenge on this diet, particularly when most people of absolutely no idea really about nutrition and even if they do, don't really have much interest in being raw.  I try not to make a big deal out of it and have at times eaten some of the cooked food when out with friends.  Most of the time I just eat ahead and usually just order a very large salad and fruit for dessert (most restaurants will have something like this). 

I have over the last week started taking this mineral supplement called MMS - www.miraclemineral.org which appears to have helped my exzema, although it is not all gone yet.  It is perfectly safe and meant to kill any pathogen, fungi, bacteria etc in your body and will not attack any good bacteria.  You have to work up to a full doze day by day, so I am not there yet.  You can order this mineral from distributors in Australia and there is a free book on the website link above. 
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« Reply #6 on: Monday 21 July, 2008 »

whatever you do,if you remain eating your steamed veg...only eat them at night...as eating fruit on top of cooked veg...will be a fermenting fizzing disaster.....


it takes a good amount of time to work out what resonates with your body.....im in my 5th year raw food eating...trying to tweak it and make it best as possible for my body and ulcerative colitis....

try and food combine as well as you possibly can.....

lentils are impossible to digest well imho....

Louko your eyes are so blue they took my breath away.....amazing....very beautiful............
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 July, 2008 »

Well I have a whole bunch of fruit right now so I'll eat that all up, then I'll do a week of banana's and greens, in the form of green smoothies. Also is it ok to freeze banana's? I usually do just because I get so many of them. One more thing, I dont buy all organic fruits usually just organic greens, if there were a few fruits you'd make sure to get organic what would they be?
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« Reply #8 on: Monday 21 July, 2008 »

RawGreenGoddess, thank you for your generous compliments!

Klein, where do you live? A good idea is to bulk buy organic. You can either make a deal with local suppliers, or start up a buyers group in your area. IM me if you are in Sydney. Organic is not only healthier, better for the environment, but tastes so much better, which makes you want to eat it more, which makes it easier to stay raw laugh
I don't always manage to get everything organic either, but usually bulk buy at least bananas, oranges, spinach, celery, tomatoes and lettuce which are my staples. The most important to get organic is indeed greens, celery, and any fruit where you eat the skin.

Freezing is not optimal, but I guess better than throwing away. I do it in the summer to make yummy banana ice cream as a treat.
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« Reply #9 on: Monday 21 July, 2008 »

what I am reading in between teh lines , is teh search for quick remedy,
like would 1 week on bananas be sufficient ?


sufficient in what ? curring the conditions or hating banans for ever ?

there is a generalized idea flying around which says something :

1 months of detox nutritional regime for each 1 year of previous bad nutritional abuse.


So seeking a quick fix is thinking like a western doctor.


I would also suggest to look at the fasting methods and detoxing protocols like Master Cleanse - the lemonade thingy.

I also suggest to look at guts cleaning techniques like SWF combined with fasting or MC on a daily basis - here perhaps teh 1 week can be interesting time period.


SWF and MC goes well beyond the 811 ideology so mixing the 2 could be very confusing
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« Reply #10 on: Monday 21 July, 2008 »

I live in Canada, British Columbia. Well I'm not expecting to see I quick fix because I did abuse my body badly all through high school (I'm 19) but it's just kinda shocking when you wake up the next day with more acne and weird bumps on your arm. It is actually kind of a blessing to have these skin problems, it made me look into nutrition more and then in turn read ebooks on natural acne cures and those lead me to books like the China study which made me realize how I was destroying my health. I would way rather have a mango then some candy now so thats allways good 8P. Thanks for the replies everyone I really appreciate it. Btw Aussies rock I met them through out my travels in Europe and we always got along and had a great time.
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« Reply #11 on: Monday 21 July, 2008 »

Hi Klein,

if things are really that way i would consider doing a 'colon hydrotherapy'... especially in the early beginning of raw it can be of tremendous benefit cause you get things out of your colon walls that may cause the worsening on your skin you are witnessing , sign of detox?...

i know there are divergences in the Raw Community (pro and contra) and altough i myself em preferring eating a clean diet whilst not having any need of colon-hydrotherapy - in an early stages of raw and by heavy detox (from un-natural past) I would consider this option very earnstly...

your doing great hey!

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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 22 July, 2008 »

Recently one of my friends and his sister said I look really skinny. No ones ever said that to me in my life and it actually kinda hurt. It kinda makes me scared that I'm loosing to much weight. How did you gain weight on a raw food diet? Have you ever been called skinny? I'm around 6'2 - 6'3 what would be an ideal weight on 811? Before on the SAD diet I weighed 180.  I know your obvisouly going to be slimmer on a diet such as 811 but I don't want to be called skinny, any thoughts, suggestions?
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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 22 July, 2008 »

Hi Klein

Dont get too concerned about weight loss, ive lost nearly 15kg being sick, between my illness and diet changes when i didnt need to lose much weight at all, maybe a few kgs but not that much.

However my BMI is still 21, so comfortably in the healthy range and i now get called skinny. It does hurt when people say it, people are thoughtless, they think losing weight is a good thing and are more than likely jealous.

I have managed to gain a kilo back, i think eating alot of bananas, healthy fats helps. Your body will find its balance if your healthy. Im not certain 811 is ideal if your trying to gain weight, you can try it but personally at my weight ive found i do need a certain amount of fats to do well, going under 20% is actually harmful to me and i find i just get sicker and sicker and my skin is terrible on low fat.
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 22 July, 2008 »

I'm sorry that you guys are having people call you skinny. It's hard not to bite back. One of my cousin's said to me after I lost my weight "Geez Jen, will ya eat something... you look anorexic" and I bit back with "Sure will but will you stop... you look like a compulsive overeater". Ouch. She is in no way overweight but is very sensitive. Luckily she thinks I am mentally ill and chose to ignore it but I feel guilty every time I think of it. And I no longer get upset at these comments. And they don't happen much now anyway.

Interesting that by calling us names is how some show their concern....

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