There is a biblical scripture (can't recall where) that says something along the lines of "Science...falsely so called"

To me that has always meant (and growingly so) that the presumption that Science can explain or "prove" anything is false. It's like....immediately starting a journey on the wrong path that will not...and cannot, lead to the destination it/you seeks.

It starts from the wrong point...seeking to prove the unprovable by means that fall short of what it is actually trying to explain.

You can't use logical processes to explain things beyond the capacity of mere "logic".

I've known this since I was a child...it is so obvious (to me).

It creates opinion based conclusions that hide or disguise the real and true source of actual understanding and reality.

It is an illusion.

Thought processes and proofs are linear by nature.

How can a straight line try and explain a circle?

John

this was the second one LOL------

interesting Oxygen , but not fully to agree...

what does the quote say: as above so below...

I strongly believe science and spirit ar both sides of the same coin...

they are of the same nature and leave behind traces (you can track back) in different realms and proportions...

of course spirit and matter have different abilities of penetration and manifestation in Our World (but thats another story hey), neverthelss i do not see separation , some Scientist do , as Spiritualist alike...

kind regards, :-)

em running out of time (and money LOL) so... will try it to make it short...

i think your speaking of HUMAN EXPERIENCE...
in terms we cannot prove something that is beyond of our limitations... right?

i speak from the other point of view and angle , from the Spirit eyes , un-manifested and un-limited that proves something in our logical world and can be tracked back... do you follow me (i guess thats the point were we are not stating the same)?

so your right in saying, that from a 'wrong' (lets call it limited) point of view trying to understand something beyond limitations is a longer task (but not impossible) whereas from a un-limited point of view it is more possible to understand and see things with clarity even in limited zone , and can be tracked back if we 'wear' the eye-glasses of the same spiritual view...


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analysis is science
synthesis is spirit

whats the difference?

analysis looses itself in the quest for details and particulars forgetting the real object of the seek , sidetracking here and there (often science does)...

synthesis on other side looks from above and 'synthetize' the essence of its quest , being than able to discern between 'essential' and 'non-essential' and fullfill (trough matter) its 'mission' or 'task' in the World...

History of usage of the word science

Well into the eighteenth century, science and natural [philosophy] were not quite synonymous, but only became so later with the direct use of what would become known formally as the scientific method, which was earlier developed during the Middle Ages and early modern period in Europe and the Middle East (see History of scientific method). Prior to the 18th century, however, the preferred term for the study of nature was natural philosophy, while English speakers most typically referred to the study of the human mind as moral philosophy. By contrast, the word "science" in English was still used in the 17th century to refer to the Aristotelian concept of knowledge which was secure enough to be used as a sure prescription for exactly how to do something. In this differing sense of the two words, the philosopher John Locke in An Essay Concerning Human Understanding wrote that "natural philosophy [the study of nature] is not capable of being made a science".

I've had an unexpected invasion (lol) of friends at my house all day and most of the night...so I'll get back to this tomorrow....interesting stuff has been raised here.

John

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makes me think at the saying: Man's wisdom (or knowledge) is fool to God...

yes , good points coming up...

Rudolph says it well ... but also Gosia is right on stating theres a misconception of science..., agree

All in all its good to discern between 'sciences' (as we have to do with 'religions' , and all spiritual belief nowadays)...

1 is mandmade and limited , conditioned by many (often unethical) aspects - logical yet not aligned with syncronistic order and therefore often an unnecessary waste (i say often but not always)...

another again is unlimited , unfakable ('as it is') and unconditioned - witnessing (action-reaction) of whats happening here as a manifestation of the spirit , its an intelligent science , a living science and of objective nature ,...

see we have Divine experience and Human experience...

God has no need to create a Religion or Science , God is Religion and Science itself , 'as it is'...

yet Man needs (dont ask why) to create Realigion and Science , perhaps because he long time was not Religion nor Science and unconscioslly wanted to know?

 

Yes Ivan,

in my words it would be teh ZERO POINT, or suing differnt expression the POINT OF NOTHINGNESS


I created the expression of point of nothingness after readin Johns reaction to zero point where he expressed teh need to balance all stuff and sides for teh zero point to exist, to me that is comming from the materialistic understanding say of maths concept, that the zero is thaty point in the middle which have all teh negative numbers to teh left and all teh positive numbers to teh right, and this clearly needs a symetry - so called balancing, this can be taken to 2D or 3D as teh point where the axis of X,Y,Z intercept or cross.


But ZERO in the meaning of Hawaian Hoopnopono is zero as nothing, so there is nothing to balance.

In teh past, The Man has teh natural ability to comunicate with God, Univers, Nature anytime, anyplace,
about any topic, issue etc.

So The Man had no need to keep writen records, encyclopedias aboutthe facts, matter and events, did not have the need to create some models to explain or to estimate behaviour of any system etc.

It was very simple, just look any fact You need at the Universal library, and ask for help or explanation fro God any time You need.

Of course not allway the answer would come, often the God would say - look up lazy mind these are teh facts, put them together Yourself, I will only guide You,

in an attempt to allow the Man to grow to be as smart and knowledgeable as God Herself (scoring some feminine points here).

As the Man experiment by God was to see if He (ooops sorry, She) can create teh Man which will grow, learn and rise to become with the God like qualities.


As in any experiment, more comparable to the good chess game, the oponent making his moves, trying to bugger up the plan performing the experiment on his own - does he has the ability to bugger up the God's plan.

In 1 such a move, the powerstructures were created, teh science was created, the religions were created,
this hrad playing oponent nearly succeeded, the Man lost the ability to talk to God to connect to teh Universe and Nature,, lost the ability to read from the Universal library.

In a demonic plan to completely confuse the Man, the natural instict to seek knowldege was nourished by teh science and discoveries, teh power struicture and teh Ego structure of science was-is flourishing, the Man
is not even thinking about how to connect to God anymore, but is bussy to putting the letters in front and behind the name, and accumulates teh degrees of various levels, membership of scientific bodies etc to climb the science ladder and to give the backup weight to his arguments.
Not very different to the situation when the truth is hold by the strongest fist.


Those 6 priests, who designed the science and its partitioning, some 12000 years ago, and their descendants - the first son inheriting the manipulating knowledge and power,


were laughing all the way through the centuries, till recently.


The priests came to teh realization, that this is not leading any more to their benefit, and decided to close their game, there is no longer higher support to teh science games, these are just played on teh low level by individual humans and still existing structures, butthey are being exposed 1 by 1 for what they are, and will not survived in their curent shape teh transition to new civilization.

Its about the time to close the dark chapter of the 3D civilization.